12.16.2005

The Wise Men




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Sword
Part Two of Three

"The Wise Men"

Matthew 2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

In the last article I focused on the star – its appearance made quiet a stir, everywhere. While I did focus on the star, I left a few things of importance out regarding the wise men – why? The star of course, is the most important element of the whole story – it takes understanding of its appearance and its meaning to truly understand and absorb the next portion of my article.


To recap the last article:
The star of course appeared in the east and led the wise men from the east to the west – where Jesus was born. Remember – it "…went before them…" – and in a manner of speaking – lead them along their path.

King Herod – Roman-appointed governor of Judah – wasn’t in Jerusalem – he was the king of Babylon – and was located in Babylon. Herod was one paranoid bastard. Even his Roman friend Augustus had to admit, "I'd rather be Herod's pig than his son" – alluding to the fact that he killed many for treason (to include his wives and sons) out of his paranoia that someone would usurp his power.

I have no references that I can site that state that Herod was in Babylon. I just know he was there. Now, Herod knew - through his own advisors, priests, and astronomers – that the star would be seen rising in the east and this star would foretell of the coming king. Why not set up shop in Babylon and get the jump on the star? – thus he could send out men to search for the child and have him slain. He wasn’t the only one to have this plan.

Let get down to it.

Again – all references come from the King James Version (KJV) of the Holy Bible – and specifically the book of Matthew, Chapter 2

The book of Matthew 2

2:1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

From the east they came, and they came upon the King, Herod, in Babylon. They asked him, Herod – where is the king? This is quiet amusing. Herod is supposed to be the King, and the wise men – from the east (Persia) are asking him – where’s the real deal? – 'cuz you ain’t it buddy!

Concentrating entirely on the KJV only, there is no reference to their ethnicity, or numbers. History points to the fact that they came from Persia – which is east of Babylon. Persia is Iran - Babylon is Iraq. The western tradition is that there where three wise men (probably because of their gifts – numbering three different types) – Eastern tradition sites twelve as the number of wise men. In this matter I would say in the beginning of their quest – twelve is correct – the tradition is in the east, and they came from the east.

Also on this matter – being wise men – they knew better than to send large numbers. Think about it. Large numbers of astrologer priests would either "scare off" any contact they might have with the very protected messiah – or result in them being killed and never heard of again. Best to lay low and send a few emissaries.

The King Herod isn’t going to smite the wise men for asking such a blatantly insulting question (and start a war with Persia to the east when he has enough trouble keeping the west under control) – instead he is shrewd enough to play along because they know something that he doesn’t. Thus we have Mat 2:3

2:3When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

You bet he's troubled!

Wise men from the east have been waiting for this event – and being wise – and knowing that the stars procession has been earlier and earlier, have set watch. When they see the faintness of it in the distance of the heavens – they send out a lead team – who then comes to Herod the King in Babylon.

Jerusalem is troubled as well – the star' arrival is early, really early. Word would have spread quickly through the land. So Herod – trying to save face and eager to get on with his plan of killing the "new" king before he has a chance to grow up:

2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

King Herod gathers everyone together, making a big show of it. He demands from the wise men of the east, where is the child to be born? Basically asking in his court – what do you know? They, the wise men, say to him that the child is to be born "In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written "by the prophet". Well who in the hell is "the prophet"?

Well, if the wise men where coming from the east – thus, Persia – would they not be, Zoroastrian? Zarathustrianism (also known as Mazdayasna "Worship of Wisdom" ) held many of the same beliefs: of heaven and hell, free will, AND the belief of a coming savoir. The Prophet Zoroaster is perhaps the "prophet" that the wise men from the East are referring to?

In any event – men from the east – come to say that "we have the same information that you have" – the child is in Judea, specifically Bethlehem. So, hearing this, and knowing he’s getting no where fast, King Herod asks a more specific question:

2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

Okay, he wants to get to the meat of the matter. He asks the wise men who have arrived from the east, when did you first see it? This is to help him, through his own wise men (looking silly right about now) – to figure out when the child was born. This data is needed to figure out just how old he might be, for Herod – that dastardly villain – has a plan "B". He’s paranoid – not stupid. So, he starts the wheels turning; he’s held on to these men of title long enough and he’s not getting any new information out of them. Thusly...

2:8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

I can see the wise men rolling their eyes now!

Herod was knowingly evil, and the wise men would have known all about him as well.

2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

So the faint star that the wise men first spotted in the east is rising on the horizon – and their head start is paying off. There going ot be in the right spot at the right time for the big event. They of course follow the star as it goes before them to Bethlehem. Lets keep in mind that they followed the star from east to west – it had to pass over head at some point – right? :-) :-x

Now, almost out of place, as if the original writer of the Gospel had to add in something very important to the story of the wise men – the astronomers, so Matthew tell us …

2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

This verse above is by far the most confusing placement of a verse I have ever heard of. Maybe not…We KNOW that the wise men have SEEN the star.

So what makes this verse, off on its own in the bible (not attached to any other paragraph) so special? What is the writer trying to convey? Well let’s think about it… You’re an astronomer from a very elite caste of "wise" and very "learned" men. Your so damn smart and knowledgeable, that you are given a "Title" – such as a baron might. Now, you have been studying stars, and learning of all the wonders of the cosmos – and what’s this? The star of crossing from ancient lore... The star of prophecy, that is a timed event that happens once every two hundred and fifty generations.

Thousands of years ago, your peers wrote about it – and you have languished over every word. It’s the super-bowl of astronomy – and you just so happen to live in the time that it will be seen. As an added bonus – the half-time show includes the birth of a great leader – a king – a messiah that’s got ALL the prophets talking.

So, as you, a royal astronomer, bears witness to the star of crossing traversing the very heavens in seven days time, what are you going to do? YAWN? Hell NO!!!

You're going to rejoice with exceedingly great joy! Your witnessing something that many thousands of years before you many scholars, scribes, priests and other astronomers have written about – and that many thousands of years from now WILL write about – and you're seeing it happen before your very eyes. Imagine if you will, living your whole life reading about an event that happens only every 2.5 thousand years (and counting down) and being alive to watch a PLANET of elliptical orbit – literally FLY across the night sky in incredible celestial speed – progressing the entire night sky in seven days!!! At the end, the after party ends with the star slowing fading from sight over the house which is the end of their journey – the house of the new king, the messiah.

Matthew 2:10 – while seemingly misplaced – spells out the fact that as astronomers – the wise men - they had one hell of a "whoop – whoop" dar roof, dar roof, dar roof is on fire – PARTY.

2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

So, their journey is over (sort of) – their destination found. Their reason for traveling now rests before them. The child, which many religions have ordained to be the king of them all lies before them. They have witnessed the star of crossing, and now they are in the presence of a living god. They fall to Jesus' feet and worship him, and present him with the gifts: gold, for his king-ship (college fund); frankincense, a incense used for temple worship (diapers are bad smelling); and of course myrrh, a balm used for embalming as a symbolic gift/gesture of his coming death (if you wipe it under you nose it smells better than the diapers)… …

2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

The above verse concludes the story of the wise men.

Knowing of King Herod's plans (I mean, he’s so obvious) and having no allegiance to Herod – they depart to there own country going the long way around.

In the end – they go with god – and stick it to the man...Truly,wise men.

As a side note – before I wrap this up and move on to trying to end it all with a bang (no pun intended) – I want to submit that the image starting the article out is a 6th-century mosaic in San Apollinare Nuovo, "Ravenna"… All three wise men seen in it are wearing Phrygian caps. Phrygian caps can also be found on The U.S. Senate seal – check it out:

http://www.senate.gov/ - and also The U.S. Army seal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USArmySeal.png

(You can file that in the "Things that make you go – hmmmmmm)

Thanks for reading – stay tuned for part three – "The Savior – He cometh"

Your civil servant:
Sword

500 Comments:

Blogger John said...

#1!!

12/19/2005 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Hi all...

I just had a crazy thought. Recently, there have been numerous problems with the shuttle, and probes, and rocket launches, etc. WHAT IF (BIG "what if") NASA's sort of easing us into being ready for a new generation of spacecraft. Thinking about it, it sort of makes sense if that's what they're doing. They need new technologies, and especially need a new manned spacecraft. However, I'm thinking that if they were to just switch out the shuttle with something new, there might be a lot of questions that they might not want to answer. I can't believe I'm even considering this possibility, but what if they sabotaged their own stuff, thus giving a reason for a new spacecraft?

Another possibility. What if NASA's being replaced by another, better space agency? What if they're sabotaging their spacecraft so that we can see the need for change? Please remember that these are just POSSIBILITIES, and that I'm just hypothesising...

John

12/19/2005 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Did it have to be me? Let me get this straight? Persia is not Iraq and Iran combined. Persia is Iran and Iraq is Babylon.. And the capital is Ur or is that Um. And the part where Herod tells the Wise men to come back and report or the part that the eldest in every household is put to death or the part that Herod was doing taxes at the time and everybody had to report to their hometown which was Bethlehem or the part where Joseph and Mary escape to Egypt or the part where the Wisemen know before they get there that Jesus will be born in Bethlehem? Why didn't they just head straight to Bethlehem?

12/19/2005 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

It's too bad you couldn't read the post before you "go off topic".

12/19/2005 09:49:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Wow...

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/nemesis_010320-1.html

John

12/19/2005 09:55:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

I had already put that second comment on the previous blog, so I just copied and pasted. And you're right, I put the comment on before reading it. My bad...

Sword, you have a very interesting view of the Christmas story. I don't agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not interesting...

John

12/19/2005 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

NOTE: This is from just prior to SWORD's newest Blog Post. Please accept.


For those of you ready for some serious advanced reading, here is a link that leads to a grand expression of TRUTH.

Some conceptual mental gymnastics are required but a part of you will "know" what you read is that which IS inherently true.

http://usnisa.org/cosmic_cube/index.html

Following that extensive reading, yet well worth it;

Here is the source site that offers more input.

http://usnisa.org/

Surprisingly I see, they include linkages with a site I posted about some time ago called Neu-Ark.

In Keeping with SWORD's excellent post on the "saviour is Coming", one could jump to this point "TO Welcome The King of Kings":

http://usnisa.org/cosmic_cube/coil12.html



iontruo2-->"There are so many paths, yet they all lead up the same mountain"




P.S. Thank you to SunKing for the new Blog Post!
Much appreciation to SWORD for his contribution with this new installment. No small task, kudos to you SWORD!
Now to read your latest...

12/19/2005 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Count the CMEs...

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c3.gif

John

12/19/2005 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

John said...
HO-LEE SHOOT!!!!!
Answers await technology that can detect fainter and more distant objects, so researchers can make a fuller inventory of the out solar system. That inventory is likely to include many objects in what is called the Oort Cloud, extending 1.5 light-years away and nearly half the distance to the Alpha Centauri star system.

I don't care what the other bloggers say John You're not simple; you're dyslexic

Remember Genesis.. It's part of the bible. The part where it says.. In the beginning.
Remember anything about how God looks after the sparrows and why wouldn't he look after you?
Well God did create the universe and the universe is imbued with God. He created the sun and he out of the void he created Earth. He didn't leave the planets, the solar system, mankind in a dark frozen expanse; Ever wonder why some planets have more moons than others? Ever wonder about the big "red spot" John? Maybe John the Bible tells you so, God made it. And maybe He made these objects out of the stuff he made Man. Maybe, planets have babies and we call them moons. What do you think John? How is it an eclipse of the sun and the earth covers the moon exactly. Or an eclipse of the moon and the sun is covered exactly?

12/19/2005 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Ericswan, I have ADD, not dyslexia, which as I understand it, messes up how you see words, thus kaming oyu psell mhet rongw. Just because I spelled "holy", "ho-lee" doesn't mean I'm dyslexic...

I know God created the universe, and I know He didn't leave us in a void full of nothing. But I don't see what that has to do with the article about the solar system. If there's point I'm missing, please let me know...

John

12/19/2005 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Bio_unit,
Whazzup wit your suddenly heavily negative shiznit? C'mon man. You better than that.

scarletm said...
ANAON:
Trust me: this post will be "dead" by tomorrow


And it was so!

ericswan,
My guess is that the 'star' didn't pinpont Jayzu's manger, as popular images would have us believe. But the star of crossing, perhaps being expected, and showing itself in the constellation associated with emerging kingship (and it's not Pisces...I heard it on PBS the other night and cannot remember it...Aries of Leo? Aires, I think, associated with the Ram, the symbol of Israel/Judea?) is what made them come a looking.

iontru02,
Interesting about the cat-and-mouse asteroid. Don't ya love how these scientists/spokesmen make light of the asteroids potential. Sure it's not as big as what may have caused the extiction of the dinos...more likely just make a crater like the one in Arizona...that's all fine and dandy but what if it makes that crater in Manhattan or Ontario or Tokyo. etc? Dumbshits!

Thanks for the good posts.

As far as the thanks for notifying you of my busy-ness and status....",i>Dat's da way we dooooo it",/i> ;)

12/19/2005 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

ericswan,

Did you, or anyone else for that matter, ever consider that God, even tho The All Powerful, made 'everything', but made it operate according to certain rules, rules that obtain if only because of the nature of what he created? And that The All Powerful could be limited by the Rules of that He created?

Think of it like the creator of Monopoly...even tho he created the game and the Monopoly 'Universe", when he plays the game, he must function according to the rules.

Hence, if God has created matter and come up with things that are subject to 'gravity' and other 'naturally-occurring' forces, by the rules of the game, He is limited to what he can do.

And that's IF He wants to waste His time fiddling with Oort Clouds and stuff...kind of busy work for the Big Guy, so hHe rigged the Game so He doesn't HAVE to fiddle about.

(fiddle about, fiddle about...)

12/19/2005 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

oh....not to too my own horn, but if you want to see why I've been away, see this over at Friend Goro's Entemenanki

Ark-Aid Games

12/19/2005 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous The Illuminated One said...

Sword,
I seem to remember seeing "Phrygian caps" in various historical context's, including them being worn in the French revolution. How very "illumined" of those peasants !
Phrygian cap

12/19/2005 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Wasn't the fiddler on the roof?

lol :)

I tink he was trying to elevate himself.

and gained a new perspective.




Sunking! WOW, nice contribution at Goro's Entemanki site.


Shock to the system,
forcing us to feel,
moving the Mankind forward,
nothing to appeal.
A wounding in Love,
crashing down from above,
brings forth the heart's wave pulse,
of grief in compassion for real.


that just popped up Sunking.

Might be meaningless but the crop circle you mentioned and showed "also" reminds me of an old Christmas tree ornament we had. Timing metaphors?

12/19/2005 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

I can see that ornament reference!

hmmmm....

Thanks...new to crop circles and blogging, too! Especially compared to someone on Goros level...technically and conceptually! I gotta lot to learn! :)

12/19/2005 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

SWORD,

Well done, your story has brought forth much to consider and contemplate.

Although I was moved to revisit "The Prophet" by Kahlil Gibran, which was enlightening as always,
http://www.columbia.edu/~gm84/gibtable.html


I have had a consistent inward relationship with The Prophet Zoroaster, and the recent arrival of a sacred horse here whose name means Wisdom(Sophie) brings me to the agree with you about who that Prophet was.

Additional thought: with the symbol of "good as Gold", Frankinscense and Myrhh are also attributed to the masculine and the feminine as essential oils.

Thus a "perfectly" balanced offering.


SWORD
Thank you again, more to contemplate with your offering.

12/19/2005 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Sunking,

Yes, Goro amazes me, and it all makes perfect sense once laid out to consider.

Your contribution there is note worthy Sunking!
I really appreciate that post!

These events, that may or may not come to pass bring me to this piece from The Prophet:

On Joy & Sorrow (by Kahlil Gibran)
Then a woman said, "Speak to us of Joy and Sorrow."

And he answered:

Your joy is your sorrow unmasked.

And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.

And how else can it be?

The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.

Is not the cup that hold your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven?

And is not the lute that soothes your spirit, the very wood that was hollowed with knives?

When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.

When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.

Some of you say, "Joy is greater than sorrow," and others say, "Nay, sorrow is the greater."

But I say unto you, they are inseparable.

Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.

Verily you are suspended like scales between your sorrow and your joy.

Only when you are empty are you at standstill and balanced.

When the treasure-keeper lifts you to weigh his gold and his silver, needs must your joy or your sorrow rise or fall.



(ion)--And so I felt in feeling's fire and then I felt the Lord lift me higher.

12/19/2005 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

In the previous blog: IonTruO2 said...
starshipconstellation,

Did you see that massive fullscreen flash in John's solar link at about 23:00. Its a full screen ring like image around the sun and then on to the CME streaming off on the right with the ordinary sun image?

It is odd, doesn't seem like camera phenomena or digital glitching.




I'm not an astronomer, but i had the SOHO "Live Screensaver" on my PC for a number of years, curious about how solar flares affect people and the weather.

The LASCO movie is actually a composite of visible and extreme ultraviolet light. The white-out is similar to looking at an oncoming headlight.

Here's a LASCO movie for the X-40 flare that hit Earth in October - November 2003. I still remember that the aurora was visible at night in the tropics (at 4N latitute). This has never happened before.

The camera gets hit on 29 October and the effects last a day.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/2003_11_04/c3sm.mpg

p/s if there were F-SHODs racing about, I'm sure it would have been edited out before placing the images on the net.

12/19/2005 01:11:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Sunking said...

And that's IF He wants to waste His time fiddling with Oort Clouds and stuff...kind of busy work for the Big Guy, so hHe rigged the Game so He doesn't HAVE to fiddle about.

(fiddle about, fiddle about...)


I try not to think what He was thinking. I posted an equation here and elsewhere to unify the theory

If you don't get this than you are at one with mankind..


zero = infinity

or

infinity = zero


If God is all than anything he created is part of Him.

Think of our numbering system a string of numbers on a line

-2,-1 0 +1,+2

now think of the decimal system

-.00000000000000etc.etc.l, 0 +.00000etc.etc.1

Now put a huge mass a heavy mass right on the zero and right on the line..it's a great line but it can't support the great weight. Suddenly, all the numbers on the line cascade into 0.

Think of zero as aa mobius strip

As above So below.

Think of God as the culmination of all the dimensions. length, width, heighth, time, and the 90 degree, and every other degree to 360 degrees of the above dimensions and that should explain why God created the Oort Clouds.

Look for the "Nature" of "God" in nature.

12/19/2005 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

Where will you be on August 12, 2028?

Expect a meteor storm then...

Check out Dr Tom Van Flandern's preamble and the statistical predictions at:

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/perseid/perseid_intro.asp

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/perseid/perseids.asp

12/19/2005 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Tru O2.. your post at the top o the blog has occupied me for a couple of hours. I was disappointed by the lack of conviction the poster was making by the fact there is no feedback mechanism which was implied throughout.. No way to correspond. No identity. No comm-unity.. If the blog wasn't so long, they wouldn't make so many errors.

12/19/2005 01:32:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

ericswan said...
Sunking said...

And that's IF He wants to waste His time fiddling with Oort Clouds and stuff...kind of busy work for the Big Guy, so hHe rigged the Game so He doesn't HAVE to fiddle about.

(fiddle about, fiddle about...)


I try not to think what He was thinking. I posted an equation here and elsewhere to unify the theory

If you don't get this than you are at one with mankind..

zero = infinity


here's another mystery:

draw a square
draw a vertical line in the middle
in the left box write not x
in the right box write x

the equation is logical, until you observe that the vertical line represents:
not x = x

i haven't figured this out yet, any mathermaticians out there? mean time, have fun!

12/19/2005 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

John said...
Count the CMEs...

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c3.gif

"John" (if your ARE John), don't waste time watching grass grow. There's more to heaven and earth than CMEs.

12/19/2005 01:43:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

ericswan said: Think of God as the culmination of all the dimensions. length, width, heighth, time, and the 90 degree, and every other degree to 360 degrees of the above dimensions and that should explain why God created the Oort Clouds.

All was cool until you got here...because NO, it does NOT explain why God created the Oort Clouds.

I have this theory about all these long-hair subject matters...All the Great Mysteries, when examined by one who is 'illuminated' (i.e. understands the facts, the why and wherefore) are of the most simplistic nature. I call it The-"Well, why didn't I see it THAT way BEFORE?-effect. And I imagine that when we get to 'heaven' (and not necessarily in the Xian sense, but it COULD be), we'll sit around and shake our heads at how easy it all was, had we only looked from the proper perspective.

You gonna have to do better than that, eric! :)

12/19/2005 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Iontru02,
Nice peice from 'The Prophet'. And ain't THAT the truth? Ive given that book as gifts many times, but never read the darn thing...You have inspired me to do so. :)

12/19/2005 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

sword said;
"I have no references that I can site that state that Herod was in Babylon. I just know he was there."

That's a very nebulous way to substantiate a claim bro. If you could throw a little light on just why you KNOW he was there, that would be cool. :)


Mat 2:1 is a bit vague in saying exactly where Herod is located. You could insinuate he was in Jerusalem from that verse. again I would ask why you know he was somewhere else.

"From the east they came, and they came upon the King, Herod, in Babylon. They asked him, Herod – where is the king? "

In Mat 2:2, They asked where is the King of the Jews. Was herod likening himself to king of the Jews or King of Judaea?


"The western tradition is that there where three wise men (probably because of their gifts – numbering three different types) – Eastern tradition sites twelve as the number of wise men. In this matter I would say in the beginning of their quest – twelve is correct – the tradition is in the east, and they came from the east."

12 wise men would fit with the importance of 12 in base 60 math. 12 houses of the Zodia, 12 Apostles even, 12 days of xmas. I'm with you there.


"So, as you, a royal astronomer, bears witness to the star of crossing traversing the very heavens in seven days time, what are you going to do? "

Are you saying here that the star appeared, and on the very same night the wise men left to follow it to The Holy Land? As I read it, this is the answer to Herod's question. Yes? Or would the observers notice when it first appears, in the south, below the ecliptic?

"Matthew 2:10 – while seemingly misplaced – spells out the fact that as astronomers – the wise men - they had one hell of a "whoop – whoop" dar roof, dar roof, dar roof is on fire – PARTY."

The Sumerians also wrote when the Star of Crossing would first appear in the night sky, rejoicing would occur with great exuberance to the God An (Anu). Many large fires would be lit across the lands in succession from E to W I would assume as hte star made it's first appearence. Same star, different time I know.

"So, their journey is over (sort of) – their destination found. Their reason for traveling now rests before them. The child, which many religions have ordained to be the king of them all lies before them. They have witnessed the star of crossing, and now they are in the presence of a living god. They fall to Jesus' feet and worship him, and present him with the gifts: gold, for his king-ship (college fund); frankincense, a incense used for temple worship (diapers are bad smelling); and of course myrrh, a balm used for embalming as a symbolic gift/gesture of his coming death (if you wipe it under you nose it smells better than the diapers)… …"

After reading the above paragraph, this thought occurred to me;
was Mary artificially inseminated by Enki? That would certainly cover the divine or immaculate conception.

And, another thought; how did the star lead the wise men besides moving E to W? I would think it certainly incapable of actually point out a specific location. Unless they were guided by more than just the star, as in technical assistance. How else would they have found a humble birth in a horse stall?

Those Phrigian caps look like a Fez. Kind of like the same sort that The Shriner's wear. But the Shriner's weren't created until the late 19th century. That'll make you go Hmmmmm, eh? The thing I would ask about those logo's is, how recent was that design?


I am more on the question asking side of this blog sword. You make some assumptions interpreting the relevence of the bible verses. However, they do gel with the premise of the entire blog IMHO. It will be interesting to see the connection with Part 3. Tie it up good sword.

Wayne

12/19/2005 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

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12/19/2005 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

SunKing said...
ericswan said: Think of God as the culmination of all the dimensions. length, width, heighth, time, and the 90 degree, and every other degree to 360 degrees of the above dimensions and that should explain why God created the Oort Clouds.

All was cool until you got here...because NO, it does NOT explain why God created the Oort Clouds

There is as much of God in the Oort clouds as there is in you and me.

12/19/2005 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

howdy anon..Merry Christmas..
you said...
the equation is logical, until you observe that the vertical line represents:
not x = x

i haven't figured this out yet, any mathermaticians out there? mean time, have fun!

12/19/2005 01:37:06 PM


I agree with that.

12/19/2005 02:12:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

Sword,
I'm glad you dropped in the part about the star passing overhead at some point cuz until then it was behind the wise ones. Therefore I was wondering if they had eyes in the backs of their heads.

I was thinking that way because, as you probably know;
To maintain a westerly course at night, some navigators follow a series of stars. They steer for each one as it rises on the western horizon, adjusting course as the hours pass.
Of course that is different than a speeding planet passing by in a week's time.
uni

12/19/2005 02:12:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

The essence of God is in all equally. He can't not be in his creation. He is God. There is a failsafe mechanism where His creation flows back to Him. This may be apparent to all on Dec. 21, 2012.

12/19/2005 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

If the Wise Men were from Babylon/Iraq/Ur region, then that's about 750 miles to Jerusalem/Behlehem. What was a standard day of travel? Consider that it would most likely be from oasis to oasis and about 30 miles a day? So COULD they get to Jerusalem in 7 days?

Also re: the number of Wise Men. Considering that they were going thru country habited by un- friendly tribes and bandits, they probably went with a caravan on the trade route and perhaps with a squad (12+) for safety sake.

FWIW

12/19/2005 02:30:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

eric,
I do not dispute that there is some of God in all of creation...I dispute that he actively placed every little thing just so. What I was contending was that he set up the rules of the game, then let 'nature' (e.g. Oort-type clouds) take it's course...my speculation is also that God is 'limited' (if you would) by the rules of the 'game' he created. Which only adds to the beauty of the whole shebang!

12/19/2005 02:46:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Phrygian caps...

research started here.

Then I re-grokked your mission half awake statement, along with ya skull and cross bones, 33rd archectural leanings etc...

I realise, or assume, that your particular guild (Fezz wearing, Phrygian caps etc (of Masons))., are related to the Trojan wars and the idea of FREEDOM or Liberty.

I've shown this too many people just this last week, how can you prove you are not free, even tho, you standing in your bikini(s), with cocktails (drinks John 'pay attention' boy) in their dainty pinkies on a gorgeous caribbean beach, could you smoke a joint outside the whitehouse?

A; no!

Q. Why not?

A; Cos it's the law...?!?

Q Who's law?

A, Errrrm Goverment law...

Q... Ah, but where in the bible is it a crime to smoke Cannabis Sative (or Indica (B_U)) a naturally occuring plant or herb or weed or crop?

Q.. Where is it a crime in Jesus teachings?

Q... Hmmmmmmmm...


A. OK but it's a drug...

STATEMENT: Errm so is your cocktail and your ciggarettes and your prozak...

realisation; Oh yeah...

Q... OK, but it does funny things to you...

Big Question; And you are chatting to?

So there is no living without true liberty.

Without true freedom to grow and maintain a large crop of a healing herb, Cannabis, we are not free in the Capatalisitc west.

We are not FREE to be FREE.

Thank you for free Energy link on the last blog Other side of the Pacific.

Yes, that Magnetic motor and more are what I'm looking for, open the flood gates for FREE ENERGY!!!

I read the link on Suppression with horror and interest.

I know this happens and really does go on, otherwise, why aren't water fueled vehicles already on the market - RIGHT???!!!???

Because, lets face it, freeing people of the tax point, between them and living, just is no fun for evil, greedy, power hungry men...


Like BUSH for instance...


Looking like he was on the ropes during that Media Questioning...

So he approved around 30 wire taps, a nice masonic intrusion of the non anal but kinda type...

Sword, I understand ya message and security is good as it ever could be, sandy beaches and breezes have kept me chilled for the last few days.

Been watching the news with fasc-ination...

Ion, your words never cease to inspire me, even when you do lose it on ya colder days...

Sandy beaches (as I was saying...) are prevailing here...

It was hugely breezey here y'day...

Bryan, was up on a 5.9 sail rode a freaking monster wave getting the top turn right to catch it... couldn't believe it myself... now how do I do that again...

So your unit represents the Freedom and Liberty 'assasins'.

The Truth Seekers guild? Looking for the truth to return and make report at the correct space and time? Not unlike Indina Jones when he's also persued by Truth Protecting FeZZ wearing assasins...

Couldn't believe how rude John was, just stamping in here, without even trying to understand or grokk swords essay...

PS nice RED outfits on those 3 Wise men...

(...we dont know no water let the mother f....... burn....)

12/19/2005 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Sunking,

From what I have read, a journey of that length would have taken at a minimum 20 to 30 days. If traveling in a caravan, the pace would certainly be slower. I do not see any way that pack animals such as camel could travel non stop 6 to 7 days at 100 miles per day without any rest, food or water. The same goes for the Magi.

Wayne,

The star would have to be inbound to the sun when visible by the Magi. This would suggest an inclined orbit meaning that the star would have been above the ecliptic on its way in and below the eclitpic on its outbound leg.


I am witholding final judgement on Sword's story until Part Trois. A compelling story no doubt.

12/19/2005 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

bubba hyde said;
"Wayne,

The star would have to be inbound to the sun when visible by the Magi. This would suggest an inclined orbit meaning that the star would have been above the ecliptic on its way in and below the eclitpic on its outbound leg."

Hi bubba,
I expressed that from remembering Sitchen and his explanation in one of his books. Which one escapes me at the moment. but I do recall a drawing that showed the planet coming in from below I believe til it past Jpiter and then rode above the plane and orbited retrograde back around to exit the our system heading back into the Galactic south. Sounds to me like the orbit is not exactly known at least by us regular folk.

Wayne

12/19/2005 04:07:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Wayne,

I've been giving the orbit of the star much thought as of late. What you describe sounds like it could possibly jive with what I have been thinking. In fact, it might help to further narrow the time of year that I believe Jesus was born.

I've done some reading about Sitchen and his work on the web but as of yet I haven't gotten hold of a book. One thing up front does concern me about Sitchen and that is his scholarship. He is supposed to be on C2C this week and I am looking forward to hearing him. I've heard pieces of interviews in the past and in those he seemed evasive to the questions, that could have been due to his age. I'm trying to keep an open mind regarding everything due to the fact that if he is right much gets explained.

12/19/2005 04:44:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Who says these things are 'coincidental'?

Honeywell paying $555M for British firm
Monsters and Critics.com - 8 hours ago
EGHAM, England (UPI) -- Honeywell International Inc. will pay $555 million in cash to buy Britain`s First Technology PLC. The deal, already approved by First Technology`s board, is expected to close in the ...
UPDATE 2-Honeywell to buy First Technology for 207 mln stg Reuters...

12/19/2005 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...



www.cheekylying-disinforming-spaceweather.com;

WINTER SOLSTICE: Northern winter begins on Wednesday, Dec. 21st, at precisely 1835 UT (10:35 am PST) when the sun reaches its southernmost declination: -23.5 degrees. The nights around this date are the longest of the year, e.g., 14 hours of darkness in southern California and more than 18 hours in Alaska. On the other hand, if you live south of the equator, Wednesday is the beginning of summer. Either way, Happy Solstice!



AND, they will call you at 3:33AM for more space alerts...!!!

12/19/2005 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

...the only slight coincidence with the OILy lier BUSH's media debacle... conference...

is that it was his 5th FIFTH

in 19 days

19 and 5

where have I seen that before?

19.5 or 19.47 Da mean golden...

12/19/2005 05:04:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

With Ion's stars playing tag...

it's the 'may', part that has me concerened...

or is it the words; 'above normal'

as were the

30 degree below 'AVERAGE' record setting temperatures these last couple of weeks...

Oil Falls on Signs Warmer Weather May Lower Fuel Consumption
Bloomberg - 2 hours ago
Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil fell for a fourth session on forecasts that a warm weather system will move across the northern US. Higher-than-normal temperatures will sweep into the western two-thirds of the US from Dec. 24 through Dec. ...
Oil prices slip on warmer US weather BusinessWeek
Oil price steadies after big slump New Zealand Herald
Minneapolis Star Tribune (subscription) - Daily Star - Lebanon - TheStreet.com - FXstreet.com - all 130 related »



Then the fact that Seatle was warmer than Dallas today rattled Chad Myers of CNN Meterological anouncments...

12/19/2005 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

bubba hyde said;
" Wayne,

I've been giving the orbit of the star much thought as of late. What you describe sounds like it could possibly jive with what I have been thinking. In fact, it might help to further narrow the time of year that I believe Jesus was born.

I've done some reading about Sitchen and his work on the web but as of yet I haven't gotten hold of a book. One thing up front does concern me about Sitchen and that is his scholarship. He is supposed to be on C2C this week and I am looking forward to hearing him. I've heard pieces of interviews in the past and in those he seemed evasive to the questions, that could have been due to his age. I'm trying to keep an open mind regarding everything due to the fact that if he is right much gets explained.

12/19/2005 04:44:39 PM

I've heard about folks questioning his scholarship. But then again, you could question those scientists that question his scholarship. Either way, it's a razor edge. Everyone wants to de-bunk everyone else in favor of his/her particular theory or position.
Anyway, I have no other refernece point to question anyone's scholarship. as the subject at hand is not mainstream nor is anyone gonna jump up and say, "Damn,that man is right! Our previous history is wrong, religion is wrong...." and on and on. With that in mind, I read as much as I can. I try to keep as much straight as possible and weigh it against all the other info that seems to come at me in a barrage lately. Even on this blog, just look at the info crypto provides. As a point, how would I know to question crypto's scholarship against...say Sitchens? I can't. I am not being negative to you bubba, at all. i am just throwing my take on the incredible info overload. Tha's all. Sometimes, it takes a long time for it to set in.
Just as a matter of point, My biggest source of info has been Sitchen. Followed by Gardner, some Pye, Lomas, Freke, Picknett and a few otheres that escape me. Sometimes they all say the same thing sometimes, not. Man, it's really difficult to sort it out. Little by little I do though, and I am glad when it happens.
With Sitcen, start at The 12th Planet, and follow the listings in the books for the companion volumes. i had to read each three times before I grokked it all.
This subject interests me to no end. I feel like it's THE subject for understanding the past and the future. I am enjoying this immencely. This subject would knock the crap out of "normal" people's grasp of the world. That's not why I like it, it's because it's the info I've been searching for all my life.

Wayne

12/19/2005 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

After 30 years of war, first parliament inaugurated
Bangkok Post - 2 hours ago
Kabul _ Afghanistan yesterday inaugurated its first parliament after three decades of war with an emotional ceremony attended by US Vice President Dick Cheney and followed by new criticism of the warlords in the assembly. ...
Cheney Pledges Support to Afghan Democracy Guardian Unlimited
Afghanistan gets its first parliament in decades Times Online
Xinhua - San Francisco Chronicle - Reuters.uk - ABC News - all 634 related »



Did they ask for a MASONICly timed goverment to be installed?

12/19/2005 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Well, my subtle observation, is that BUSH II and BUSH I and any related parties are not TRUTH SEEKERS.

Sword, can the MASON's 'Diss-Fellow-Ship', bad 33.666 Masons from your order?

Why can't one of the 'brothers', have a word with the 33 branched poisonus Shrub?

maybe he isn't burning externally yet, but internally, the fire must be hot...


Bush Says Domestic Surveillance Legal, Defends Iraq, Patriot Act

Muslim American Society - 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON, Dec 19 (MASNET & News Agencies) - President George W. Bush mounted a robust defense of domestic spying programs and hotly disputed anti-terror laws, in an end-of-year news conference at the White House.
Bush says domestic spying program legal, to continue Reuters.uk
Text of President Bush�s News Conference Herald News Daily
Detroit Free Press - New York Times - CNN - CBC News - all 1,123 related �

Well of course HE'S gonna say it's legal...

His pants are on fire, but still no visible flames...

And more 710 - OIL

WTF???

Like the fact that Plar bears swimming 60 miles for food (yes true and NOT good news if your 59 miles off shore and there are no handy icebergs nearby your recent spotting of a very hungry tired swimming white fanged monster), wasn't surprising enough;

Democrats to fight Arctic oil drilling
Reuters.uk - 1 hour ago
Senate Democrats on Monday threatened a filibuster to stop Republicans from adding language to a must-pass defense spending bill that would allow oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).
Patriot Act, drilling in Arctic roil Senate Christian Science Monitor
GOP leaders back budget cuts, drilling in Arctic Seattle Times
Fairbanks Daily News-Miner - Forbes - San Francisco Chronicle - Bloomberg - all 832 related �


Too freaking right they should object...!!!

OIL and Big Ben on 27th May 2005 at 10:07 then at 10:20...

Illumin-naughty CHA CHA CHA, Illumin-naughty CHA CHA CHA,...

yep sword humming along...

12/19/2005 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Wayne,

I share similar feelings. What is real and what is plain crap? Like mainstream science, camps seem to form based on a belief or hypothesis and the games begin. I find myself using my gut more in grokking things of late. So much info from so many directions.

Part of my problem is that I am late to the party. I've followed along on the periphery for many years but until recent months I had spent little time looking at things. So alot of catching up to do.

You are correct that there is always someone trying to debunk someone else. I'm not saying Sitchen is wrong, not enough info yet to make that determination, rather, just some initial concern about scholarship and methods used in arriving at his theories based on what I have read. That's why I am really looking forward to hearing him this week on C2C. I would personally like to be able to put it to rest. I'm not sure if an interview will help that but I'm usually pretty good at grokking one's intent and honesty based on what I hear them saying.

Don't worry about negativity. Our conversation is one of civility and true seekers communicating what we think and feel. It's good debate and helps to focus things better. If we knew everything there would be nothing to post.

Onward my friend :)

12/19/2005 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

No other number of times would do, it has to be 13 dammit!!!

Fugitive STABS his own neck 13 times

Instead of putting up a fight or running, Braunstein chose to stab his own neck dramatically at least 13 times in a bid to commit suicide.

12/19/2005 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

bubba hyde said;
Onward my friend :)


Onward.

W

12/19/2005 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Bubba Hyde, some words on ya recent internations to miself, r.e. right or wrong Dec 10th...

We each represent what we believe to be the Truth, and I absorbed these words of yours "Don't worry about negativity. Our conversation is one of civility and true seekers communicating what we think and feel. It's good debate and helps to focus things better. If we knew everything there would be nothing to post.

Onward my friend :)
"

these words where sweet, completely in tune with the harmony of this bloguminity.

Seeking the TRUTH, between each of us, is the key, the linked syncronisity of our melded minds, working toward 'disclosure'.

Disclosure of the return of pimped out Pink Zoot suits or just that happy HEMP will make a free return to public consumption?

The star of crossing and the THREE wise men certainly had a lot to do with the ultimate outcome of a fella who walked, talked, and breathed TRUTH - SoulJah -Jesus...

If nothing else, you couldn't fault his style...

He was honest!!!

And he sought and taught TRUTH!!!

Just like we each seeking and eager to do...

Staying Tuned...

12/19/2005 05:56:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Hemel Hempsted revisited..

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index860.htm

12/19/2005 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

I just found a very telling picture in the latest SOHO EIT284 data. This is the first picture taken after the CCD bakeout...

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/javagif/gifs/20051218_2023_eit_284.gif

Look at all the bright, white objects near the Sun. Makes me wonder what was happening during the bakeout...

John

12/19/2005 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

r.e. HH revisited Mr ESwan...

I'd rather not...

I grew up there,

3000 miles away from U.K. and headline news at 3:30 AM here in St Kitt's was Hemel Hempstead...

Big fiery smoky abyss...

Revelation 9...

12/19/2005 06:38:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

...John's brain cells weren't growing during the bakeout, that's for certain...

On Dec 11th Headline news mi HOME TOWN...

OK, DjB, your right I'm taking it as a ''sign''...

Firstly, not that it really matters, but does everyone, 'generally', on this blog agree that Dec 9/10/11th blow up of HHH mi birth town, was a nudge, nudge,

wink, wink, etc etc?

Just me, spent a few days looking at all the pictures on BBC New of the smoke 'a' rising, it was strange to see, places, I'd been Knocking on peoples doors in those sad cult led Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, days...

Seeing the smoke rising from houses, I'd spent time 'witnessing' too back in the 70's, 80's...

They saw something pretty "apocalyptic" on Dec 11th at 6:03AM...

THREE explosions...

O.K... Deep breaths, putting the subject down and moving on...

Personally, it was a 'sign'...

[hisssss...] dube anyone?

12/19/2005 06:47:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Jas,

Indeed, I'll go for the return of the Zoot Suits. :) Disagreement can be had without the flaming arrows. In fact without disagreement I seriously doubt the truth would ever be obtainable.

12/19/2005 07:28:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Bubba, sweet words...

12/19/2005 07:32:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

...And the plane that crashed today, with 19 souls (so far) dead...

Had been in operation since 1919

today on the 19th crashed...

Coincidence?

12/19/2005 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

19 bodies recovered in Miami seaplane crashXinhua - 32 minutes ago
Beijing, Dec. 20 (Xinhuanet)-- 19 bodies have been recovered in the seaplane crash off Miami Beach on Monday, authorities said. The twin-engine Grumman G73 seaplane operated by Chalk's Ocean Airways was en ...
UPDATE 4-At least 19 die in Miami seaplane crash Reuters
Six Said Killed in Plane Crash Off Miami San Francisco Chronicle all 601 related »

The news story, today 19th of December...

12/19/2005 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

jasgrave333 said...
...John's brain cells weren't growing during the bakeout, that's for certain...


This is just one of the reasons I needed a short break from posting over the weekend, I was getting tired of people saying mean things about me...

John

12/19/2005 09:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John
Do you ever DEFEND yourself or your myopic views? I don't see any PASSION from you, or substance for that matter. If I had the number of people on my ass that you do, I'd tell them straight where to go. Your buddy Rush Limbaugh claims to be the master of the arena of ideas. Do YOU have any? If so, let's HEAR them.

12/19/2005 09:19:00 PM  
Blogger bryansail said...

Sword, good reading, am counting on part 3 to make my eyes bulge!
A Phrygian cap, so is it a symbol for freedom or in Mithras case a
study of good overcoming evil? The cap of Liberty it is often
called, beginning with the liberation of roman slaves.

With Bush pointing out that our constitution is just a god-damn
piece of paper, (discussing the patriot act with aides, 3 of
which confirmed that he said it) these are strange times. Might
be time to blow the cobwebs off of our own Phrygian caps.

Here's a definition of Phrygian caps thats different.
The Phrygian cap is also a term used for an anatomical variant of the gallbladder seen in 1-6 percent of patients who have ultrasound exams or contrast studies of their gallbladders. It is caused by a fold or division at the point where the tip of the gallbladder (the head) joins the main part of the gallbladder (the body).

Talk about Info. overload! Some of Ion's links and today Jas.
Acceleration of info. I have much reading to do, more to post
after I've grokked all of the recent posts here.
It is an extreme age that we live in, amazing really it tis
with more to come at an ever accelerating pace.
Keeping my yang from devouring my yin
-Bryan

12/19/2005 09:29:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Anonymous said...

John
Do you ever DEFEND yourself or your myopic views? I don't see any PASSION from you, or substance for that matter. If I had the number of people on my ass that you do, I'd tell them straight where to go. Your buddy Rush Limbaugh claims to be the master of the arena of ideas. Do YOU have any? If so, let's HEAR them.

Anonymous, I'm not an agressive person, in real life or on the blog. I'm sacred of my younger sister, that's the kind of person I am. I don't like confrontations at all. As for passion, I'm not exactly sure how I can make my posts passionate, except to EMPHASIZE some words. The thing I'm good at is humor, specifically dry humor (I learned that it's genetic). However, if we were to get into a face to face political debate, then I've found that I tend to be OVERLY PASSIONATE, as my mom's told me many times.

As for telling people where to go if they bug me, I'd never do that, because of the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Now, I admit, I've broken the Rule lots of times, nobody's perfect, but I try not to in general. It takes a LOT to get me upset, and most of the time, the mean things said about me here don't bother me too much ("Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."). But every now and then, I snap, which involves me crying a lot and blowing my nose, after which I'm fine for quite a while. That's another reason I took a break over the weekend; I was worried that I'd short-circuit the computer with all the crying that might have happened soon (and did, when I went to see "The Chronicles of Narnia")...

As for any ideas that I have. Haven't you ever seen when I post an idea like this one (it's comment #2 if you want to check)...

"I just had a crazy thought. Recently, there have been numerous problems with the shuttle, and probes, and rocket launches, etc. WHAT IF (BIG "what if") NASA's sort of easing us into being ready for a new generation of spacecraft. Thinking about it, it sort of makes sense if that's what they're doing. They need new technologies, and especially need a new manned spacecraft. However, I'm thinking that if they were to just switch out the shuttle with something new, there might be a lot of questions that they might not want to answer. I can't believe I'm even considering this possibility, but what if they sabotaged their own stuff, thus giving a reason for a new spacecraft?

Another possibility. What if NASA's being replaced by another, better space agency? What if they're sabotaging their spacecraft so that we can see the need for change? Please remember that these are just POSSIBILITIES, and that I'm just hypothesising..."

I've put other posts like this up on previous blogs...

I hope I answered your questions. If I missed any, please let me know...

John

12/19/2005 11:02:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Btw, anonymous, nice use of the word, "myopic", when describing my views. I can't "view" distant objects without my glasses, because I LITERALLY have "myopic views" lol...

John

12/19/2005 11:13:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

World view made wise men wise because it enabled them to (a) anticipate the arrival of a planet (b) find the King of Kings and (c) bring him the tools of the trade. An infant King still rules by Divine Right (concept of christ) and he needs diplomatic recognition from Asian neighbors and some wealth to redistribute.

By implication, the Bible has lots of evidence that the thre Kings recognized Bethlehem to be in the Land of Juda, not Greater Rome. Even Herod says he wants to worship him also (Matt 2:8)

The people are reported to rejoice because the Bible is written by Church leaders and in this case, the Church predicted something and it (the star) actually came true.

The people who knew the star of crossing was coming needed to find a way to use the event to achieve social change, to jump out front of the parade and direct it. Once in 250 generations is a long time for the nobility to wait for such an excuse - now they have it.

The implications of a successful prediction : the people who knew the Star of Crossing was coming MUST be getting their information from God, or from a Divine Source.

About 1000AD, Pope Sylvester went on a pilgrimmage to India to meet the unknown Nine, where he returned with our current number system because Roman numerals made math impossible. India is East of Bethlehem ... could the Threee Wise Men have been sent by the Unknown Nine ? Were they tipped off about the Star of Crossing by the Unknown Nine ? Maybe they were from the Far East ?

The idea of Wise Men smarter and wiser trotting off into the East from Bethlehem forces alot of people to confront the flaws in their Eurocentric history. Wouldn't life be SO much easier if the Bible story said that the three wise men had gone north, or even better - north west ?

To go off-topic ... here's an interesting story about why Dave Chappelle left Chappelle's Show and $50,000,000. www.chappelletheory.com
I think a shady organizations would have frame patsies as a matter of procedure. I think the story is about the censorship of television.

12/19/2005 11:17:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

John,

Re; your speculative post about what NASA might be up to with the aging fleet;
Good one. Great to see you thinking 'outta da box' !
Also thanx for reminder about golden rule..dat one nevah hurts.....

Jas,
Good form, good form !


Sun K,
Cool post at Goro's house !

awesome crew, just awesome !
uni

12/19/2005 11:57:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Thanks, unipax :) .

John

12/20/2005 12:05:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Bio_unit,
Whazzup wit your suddenly heavily negative shiznit? C'mon man. You better than that.


I know fictional escapism when I reads it. That's why the friction.

12/20/2005 12:11:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

Sword,
Another ggod blog.
I'm diggin' those Phryggin' caps :)
Gort

12/20/2005 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

John,

Interesting thought about NASA and yes I am sure that they would love to advance new technologies but there are a couple of little items in the way.

1) The budget. This year's hurricanes and the Iraq war have crippled what should be an extraordinary venture back to the Moon and on to Mars.

2) The shuttle infrastructure. If you start from scratch you would lose all of the infrastructure that has been built for the shuttle. Lots of pink slips and big costs to build new infrastructure. There current model for getting to the Moon, "Apollo on Steroids", uses proven launch capability(meaning cheap to R & D) in the shuttle boosters and fuel tank. The real design work is in the new capsule that will deliver a crew to the Moon.

All of this is being done on the cheap. Our grand vision presented by President Bush. No real vision. It's more like a Nick at Nite rerun.

12/20/2005 03:17:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

I was told that I should be "open" towards wondrous new tech et cetera . .
My gut tells me this is another Hot fusion debacle.

We are ALWAYS 20 years to Hot fusion nirvana - 20 years ago is now so it's really 40 +

Put something in my goddam hands that works. And not a "hyperlink"

word: angraa - the wind outside matches the storm in heah

12/20/2005 04:04:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

How's the production of amazing things going?

Here's a long wire with an Oscilloscope. Do I get the Nobel Prize now?
60 Hertz Electric Hum

12/20/2005 04:11:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Stupid people lead stupid lives and everything mirrors their passage through a stupid world to a stupid end.

12/20/2005 05:17:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization

They might just have to fill my hard-drive with Alien algorithms

Ha Ha Ha I made a joke

12/20/2005 05:27:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

When RCH first started the Captain's Blog, he announced it on C2C. At that time the film, War of the Worlds" (2005 remake) had just come out. RCH said he was going to blog about some aspects of the movie, but was going to wait awhile to let more people see it first.
Well, he never did that commentary, and just last evenining a friend of mine finally loaned me a DVD of the flick, but I haven't watched it quite yet.
(So... Captain... if you're still lurking...I should be ready to find out what you had to say about War of the Worlds about the time you post it.)
RCH also said on C2C that he was going to tell us more about the conspiracy behind "Daylight Savings Time."
I was watching a docudrama on PBS called "the Lost Prince" about King George V's second son, John, around the time of WWI.
In one scene, John and his older brother (the future George VI) are watching a group of dignataries and royalty arriving for some big ceremony. The older brother comments: Some of them think they are late, some of them think they are early. Father has just adopted [daylight savings time] for England, and nobody knows what time it really is.
The story is about the extended family, descendants of Queen Victoria, who married into the royal families of the major countries at the turn of the 20th century leading into WWI. It seems the young prince's Uncle Bill (Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany) had a case of the bad ass and thought he could build up a navy and take over Britain's domination of the seas.
Anyway, it's loosely on topic.
there were at least three kings in the story, and a couple or so wise guys.
Gort

12/20/2005 05:34:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

For my own sanity's sake, I hope that you don't truly believe even half of the things that you are saying in this post....

This was posted at Caps Blog (they still post there; crazy undead blogging denizens)

That is Classic. The most important question Mankind has dealt with in a thousand generations.
The other one was "hunh?"

12/20/2005 05:35:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Piece of da Action

We don't got any heaters so we can't send our boys to make a hit.

Set the Tesla howitzers on "don't ever trigger this. Tesla knows why"

12/20/2005 05:43:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

haven't figured this out yet, any mathermaticians out there?

You wanna figure out why the whole solar system doesn't fly apart.
Whatever happens it's probably not my fault

Must keep in communication with Star Fleet . . .

(bang crash boom)

word: kaezp ketchup?

12/20/2005 06:15:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

I agree, Gort ... I spent alot of time hammering out the real story and the tweks that resulted in National Treasure. Friend Goro was slated to do something for TEM on Arnold Schwarzenegger and (I think) the Rule of Saint Bernard. Goro has an outlet for his research ... so far, I think only SunKing and Unipax have read my National Treasure article. Maybe IonTru02 as well. It's unfinished - some paragraphs are there still awaiting editing (pasted from other articles I've written) but it's 70 pages or so. I can e-mail to you if you're curious ... gort ? ms.t ? tosotp ? If i know you from the Blog, then I'll send it :-)

12/20/2005 06:16:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Hot Fusion Debacle - a planned event of Mass Stupidity
A name of a band?

12/20/2005 06:24:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Some mutterings of non falsifiables in heah

I am great you are great

12/20/2005 06:33:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

The Middle East that is the source of the majority of the trouble in that location and this is defined as legal and permissible in the land of the stupids. The leader of this small country tells a former leader of this small country that they don’t have to worry about anything that happens in the land of the stupids because they control this country. The hard physical evidence of this exchange is documented and reported in the news and easily obtained but… it didn’t actually get said and nobody heard it exactly as it was said exactly because… because… they are stupid? So called terrorists that were reputed to have attacked the stupid nation are witnessed aboard gambling boats owned by a lobbyist who supports the government entrusted with the protection of the nation and this is seen as perfectly okay in a nation of stupids.

He drops the J Bomb and leaves all iconoclastic and such

12/20/2005 06:43:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Good morning crew,

a little bit of "ordinary" science news to share.

How about a new kind of Plasma Engine for Christmas?


http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/esa_new__plasma_thruster.html?13122005

12/20/2005 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

That's using steady accelleration after the hard work is done

(The getting out of this Gravity well)

like this crew
will have to wait

waiting sucks

12/20/2005 07:52:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

crypt0 said...
so far, I think only SunKing and Unipax have read my National Treasure article. Maybe IonTru02 as well. It's unfinished - some paragraphs are there still awaiting editing (pasted from other articles I've written) but it's 70 pages or so. I can e-mail to you if you're curious ... gort ? ms.t ? tosotp ? If i know you from the Blog, then I'll send it :-)

Spider---> I'd love to read your article...email: Spider818web@yahoo.com

12/20/2005 08:16:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Hello all. Wow. I go back to work for one day and I'm 80 + posts and probably about 50 links behind! I'm never going to catch up!!

Great job Sword.

Now I must go read...

Spider

12/20/2005 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

bryansail,
Thanks for calrity on the Phrygian caps. I never knew anything about them, kind of reminded me of a Fez. :)



bubba hyde said;
All of this is being done on the cheap. Our grand vision presented by President Bush. No real vision. It's more like a Nick at Nite rerun.

12/20/2005 03:17:39 AM

Kind of like a dollar store version of science. Very sad.


crypto said;
I agree, Gort ... I spent alot of time hammering out the real story and the tweks that resulted in National Treasure. Friend Goro was slated to do something for TEM on Arnold Schwarzenegger and (I think) the Rule of Saint Bernard. Goro has an outlet for his research ... so far, I think only SunKing and Unipax have read my National Treasure article. Maybe IonTru02 as well. It's unfinished - some paragraphs are there still awaiting editing (pasted from other articles I've written) but it's 70 pages or so. I can e-mail to you if you're curious ... gort ? ms.t ? tosotp ? If i know you from the Blog, then I'll send it :-)

12/20/2005 06:16:00 AM

I would like to read your work crypto. I will check to see if my e mail is correct on my profile.


Wayne

12/20/2005 08:36:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Hi all...

I got the SOHO live screensaver. It's cool...

Those are good reasons in response to my idea, bubba hyde. I agree with #1, but with #2 (the shuttle infrastructure), I'm thinking (JUST thinking) that they probably have a replacement for the shuttle, or will have one very soon. You're right, if they DID start from scratch, that'd be a BIG blow, but IF they were close to finishing a replacement (say a hypersonic spaceplane), then they wouldn't be starting from scratch...

John

12/20/2005 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Maybe that's why there's a 7-mile long runway at Dreamland, so they can test spaceplanes...

12/20/2005 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Gort,
Phriggin' Caps! LMAO!

John,
'Myopic'...LMAO!

Crypto,
I honestly cannot recall reading the Nat'l Treasure article, but would love to. It's it too long for a blog? Can we put a link to it on the front door? Let's make it available to the 'crewe'

Bio_unit,
Point made. Now, cut the shit! You're not making any jokes and your one-liners make little or no sense and certainly add nothing to the dialog. If you want to take a stance in disagreement to what many here find interesting or believe to be truth, why not make your case in a more responsible, adult manner? More acceptable behavior and even if folk disagree, you can still be respected. As it is, yo shit be gettin' old.

12/20/2005 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Cpt'n Blackbeard said...

Aye, NASA be runnin' out o' idee'rs an' scratchin' thar heads 'cause thar old buckets be creepin' along like three men in a tub, hee,hee ! Maybe they needs ta get ol' Alberto Gonzales ta start torturin' them astreephyseecists ta' gets im' ta puts out more ! Aye, that be mar efficient, too!

NASA out of ideas ?

Bearden, eh ? Thar be only ONE beard around here an' that be BLACKBEARD!

Bearden and his MEG a fake ?

Aye now, maybe all ye needs ta come down ta Earth a bit and start cogitatin' mar on matters at hand. Me sees a black ship on the horizon and thar be ol' Bush with the biggest spyglass me ere sees!
Ye needs ta nmake some hard decisions about if ye wants ta live out yar days lookin oe'r yar shoulders !

December 17, 2005 -- Note on NSA spying story in yesterday's New York Times. WMR reported on May 15, 2005:

"May 15, 2005 -- According to National Security Agency insiders, outgoing NSA Director General Michael Hayden approved special communications intercepts of phone conversations made by past and present U.S. government officials.

It is noteworthy that in the fictional movie “Enemy of the State,” it was under the authority of a “training mission” that renegade NSA officials targeted U.S. civilians for eavesdropping. United States Signals Intelligence Directive (USSID) 18, the NSA’s “Bible” for the conducting of surveillance against U.S. persons, allows “U.S. material,” i.e., listening to U.S. persons, to be used for training missions. However, USSID 18 also requires that all intercepts conducted for such training missions are to be completely destroyed after completion of the training operation. In the case of Bolton and other Bush administration hard liners, the material in question was not deleted and was transmitted in raw intercept form to external agencies for clearly political purposes – a violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and USSID 18, which only allows such raw training mission intercepts to be transmitted when evidence of criminal activity is uncovered during the training mission. Unlike signals intelligence (SIGINT) data stored in the “Anchory” (formerly known as the SIGINT On-line Intelligence System or “SOLIS”) database, training intercepts are completely off-the-books and, in the case of raw intercepts provided to Bolton and others, the NSA and its Signals Intelligence Directorate (SID) can claim “plausible deniability” in stating that only “official” intercept transcripts were provided to users outside the agency. Because they are to be destroyed after completion of training missions, the training intercepts do not appear in any agency logs and cannot be obtained by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee unless they are subpoenaed directly from Bolton and his colleagues.

12/20/2005 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger latter_days_aint said...

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12/20/2005 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger latter_days_aint said...

Aloha my friends,

Well, it's been a long time since I rock'n'rolled with y'all... been a long time, been a long time, been a long, lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely time...

Just thinking out loud about a few things:

J, my brotha, how's my favorite Hemel Hemp Head? :) You're gonna LOVE this: Check out the link I was just surveying moments before I viewed the above post on that phrygin' Gomer dude in Hosea:

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5915&sid=42b897601ce7c311e66672c91e122a0e#5915

WEIRD. ASS. CRAP.

Ayway, a song that's been really growing on me lately: "Yahweh" by U2. Like many of the world's biggest and best rock behemoth's songs, I didn't care for it at first... but after repeated listenings, it really began to strike a chord in me. Beautiful melody, and perfect lyrics...

Hey, wait a minute:

Ia weh...

Ia shua...

Ia... petus?

Hmmm...

Well, anyways, tomorrow is officially 7 years until the Mayan Date of Something Or Other... anybody seen the trailer for Mel Gibson's new film?

http://www.aztlan.net/apocalypto.htm

http://media.themoviebox.net/db/0010.php

Happy surfing!

12/20/2005 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

latter_days-aint,
Bravo! Good to see you, old man!
Your whereabouts HAVE been an object of inquiry!

Don't be so...scarce!

12/20/2005 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger latter_days_aint said...

SK,

Good to be back! I'm flattered to hear that my presence has been missed - or, at the very least, my absence has been noticed. :) "Old man", eh? Well, I certainly feel that way at times. I DID just turn 29... :)

I promise I'll try to be less "not-here"... evern though I'm still not "all there". Just needed to clear my head for a bit and get a few things sorted out in the ol' melon. Haven't been not-myself in a while. I'm sure you don't understand. :)

Sooner...

12/20/2005 12:00:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Not-at-all! ;)

12/20/2005 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger Ms. T said...

Good morning Crew,

Sword....i'm grokking your post. Thanx for making me think so hard...lol!

Gort, yesterday was the first time I have been to you site. WOW! It will take me a while to devour all the info there. I'm still doing mental gymnastics due to Ions post...lol

Ion, Thanx for tying the old noggin in knots yesterday..lol! Gymnastics indeed!!

Sunking, thanx for all the time u take for assisting the crew in our endeavor.

Jas, Dude!! Miss talking to u. I been watching those numbers. U were right. It's amazing how they start coming together. Still!! We Americans live in a false sense of FREEDOM. We THINK we are free, but when u can't use the herbal medicine when needed without fear of incarceration....WTF??? Our freedom is FALSE. Agree totally with ya man.

To all the Crew...thanx for all the wonderful links. It has kept me busy for days now.

Spider, It's hell when u miss a day of blogging. Running off to catch up some more myself.

Wayne, your post keep me grounded. U bring a great prospective in the mix of my mind.

Peace, Love & Unity

Staying Tuned

12/20/2005 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger Ms. T said...

Hey Sunking,
I was looking around at some of the old blogs the other day and came across a pic out by your name. I can't seem to remember exactly where it was now. I will try to find the link and send it. I just wanted to know if that was u??

T :)

12/20/2005 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Hey, Latter_days_aint, wow, bro...

u like, scarcer than gold...

Checked ya link...

Did you hear about someone called Barbara Anderson?

Someone who was in the 'Bethel' of Deceivers, or the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

She's now out, and is writing amongst other things, the 'blood' issue.

Stirring the legal 'pot' as it were...

Yep, Hemel HEMPstead, and this;

Revelation 9:1-21

1 And the fifth angel blew his trumpet. And I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to the earth, and the key of the pit of the abyss was given him. 2 And he opened the pit of the abyss, and smoke ascended out of the pit as the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun was darkened, also the air, by the smoke of the pit. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came forth upon the earth; and authority was given them, the same authority as the scorpions of the earth have.

Apocolypse Dec 10th ~ Theory 555 5 555


Of course Revelation 9:11

11 They have over them a king, the angel of the abyss. In Hebrew his name is A�bad�don, but in Greek he has the name A�pol�lyon.

Greek and freedom bonnets.

kind of all related eh Sword...

So L_d_s, did you hear anything more from 'inside'?

Was on the phone to mi mum, who still 'believes'; I was relating one simple thing to her, Jesus said "My 'disciples' will be no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world".

So the UN/WTBTS affair, without an apology on behalf of the spiritually adulterous Watchtower Bible and Tract $ociety
and the United Nations (of Freemasons) where in bed together from '91 to 2001...

10 years without an apology to anyone, not so much as a leaflet with a sorry on it...

Incredible, so been tracking some of the scandals on the www.jehovahs-witness.com (scandals, gossip and general religious backstabbing on the part of the 'Christian' sect/cult)

ooooh...

so anyway mi mum, says I was throwing the baby out with the bath water on the part of the United nations ting...

I was like WHAT???

What would Jesus have done mum?

Would he have said, 'oh well, boys will be boys'?

Not with this kind of proof: United Nations (of Freemasons)

I mean, no part of the world, does not mean, put in a sneak vote for the UN just in case!


Now my point is simple, the religion claims to be no part of the world. Not getting involved in politics etc;

But this, this news article just sets the scene nicely;

'Hypocrite' Jehovah's Witnesses abandon secret link with UN

Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
Monday October 15, 2001
The Guardian


The Jehovah's Witnesses have hurriedly disaffiliated from the United Nations within days of a Guardian story in which members accused the sect of hypocrisy for supporting an organisation it has repeatedly denounced privately.
After the article last Monday, the organisation's New York based hierarchy pre-empted a UN inquiry by agreeing to dissociate the Witnesses from an organisation which it holds to be the scarlet beast named in the Book of Revelation.


Article continues

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, as the sect is formally known, has 6m members worldwide and 130,000 in Britain. It had been secretly affiliated to the UN as a non-governmental organisation for 10 years.


Just waiting for the scripture that says; "Vengence is mine, say's Jehovah..."

What dya Tink Latter_days_aint, do I have a spiritual case?

hi hi hi

12/20/2005 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Hmmmmm, SunKing, can we hang the case above on our Crews door?

One for a rainy day after Sword has finished his star revelation?

interesting times bro's and sistah's! of course :)

12/20/2005 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Just thought I'd posr the rest of the UK Guardian Newspaper article, that came out just 3.5 weeks after 9/11 2001;

The sect does not believe in participating in government and initially strove to play down or deny the evidence of the UN's website, which lists it as one of 1,500 affiliated NGOs.

Those bringing the evidence to light were accused of apostacy. Disaffiliated members become known informally, like the rest of humanity, as "bird seed" in line with biblical prophesy of the fate of non-believers, whose corpses will be pecked bare by crows.

Within hours of the article's appearance on the Guardian website on Monday and its posting on a Jehovah's Witnesses bulletin board, more than 14,000 people across the world had read it.

By yesterday there were 353 official posts and 325 message boards discussing the article and its revelations, with Witnesses in the US demanding to see copies of the paper.




tings that make you go hmmmmmm


then go, 'dirty, sneaky, hypocriticle, Watchtower and Bullsh.............

12/20/2005 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Hey Guys!

I have now blown off Xmas shopping for the better part of the day just so I can catch up here. I was all ready to catch up last night when some a hole severed a cable down yonder and poof! no cable or internet. Finally got it back this AM.
Soooooo

Sword: 3 wise MEN? Be serious.

JUST KIDDING.
No, really- Very though provoking.
I am looking forward to part III.

If I don't get a chance I would like to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and as Happy a New Year as possible.
Looks like I'll be getting a lump of coal this year.
New Years Resolution: Aim not to get lump of coal.

Lots left to do. I cook a huge Chritsmas eve and Xmas dinner. (complete with Christmas crackers for my good old fashioned Canadian upbringing)SO: for the next two days I'll be busy cooking and trying to fit in some last min shopping.
I'll try to check in soon. Maybe tonight.

Keep up all the great posts.

Later,
Scar

12/20/2005 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

CRYPT0
Please see your email. Thanks in advance.

12/20/2005 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

PS, just in case you didn't read this (or anyone else on the blog);

This is my rant, from May this year: UN and Mat 24:15 and 16

I blogged for a month or so, relating the UN Scandal and door knocking peace for everyone...

12/20/2005 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Latter_days_ain't, I went to the link that talked about "Apocolypto", and went on to read about "Strange Rumblings in the center of our Galaxy". All I can say is, wow. I'm wondering why I didn't hear about this on the news...

John

12/20/2005 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

and if you get coal Scarletm, don't burn it all at once...!

12/20/2005 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Yep, Ms T, doesn't one of the States in America, have 'live free or die', as it's motto?

Texas or some such...

Freedom has truly become a mockery...

BUSH croaking on about "Spreading democracy..." da fuck, if Democracy bit him on da nose, he wouldn't recognise it.

It truly is a Disney land Democracy.

All the wooden painted fronts, so real looking, yet behind all the greasepaint smiles, is the wood and nails reality, it's all a fake!...

The love of money, Greed, power, no freedom...

Freedom means living in peace and love.

Love ya neighbours, (We are all neighbours in this universe) love The God, and love ya wifey...

sounds like peace to me...

12/20/2005 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

"John"/Captain,

Here's the next spacecar for you. It's based on old-tech, and will be using a Titan booster to bring it to ISS. This is old news (a month? ago)

http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/HL-20.html

Anybody see an F-SHOD here?
(enjoy the pics in the archives, John)

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-011-DFRC.html

OT. the HL-10 is what gave you Steve Austin, the Bionic Man. Geez, has it been THAT long ago....sheesh!

12/20/2005 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

Welcome's in order to greet Cap'n Blackbeard and Latter Days Aint.

Time to crack open another case of beer :)

In case we lose track of one another in the coming deluge of frothy beverages and spirits...

"Season's Greetings and Merry Christmas, y'all!"

12/20/2005 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger Ms. T said...

Crypto,
I would love to read your article. Please send

Breamac@aol.com

Thanx :)

Ms. T

hey scarlet and osotp. Got shopping left here and cooking to do. Can't tear meself away from the blog....lol

12/20/2005 01:48:00 PM  
Blogger latter_days_aint said...

J,

Yeah, Barbara Anderson is a big-time whistleblower. Have you seen this one?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/103578/16.ashx

Article from Baylor University which highlights the WT's intentional misrepresentation of medical facts regarding blood transfusions. Could potentially open yet another floodgate for a torrent of lawsuits...

John: Regarding Apocalypto, I think the reason Gibson kept something of a low profile with this project is because of the potential for yet more controversy surrounding the man... not to mention the possibility of alienating some of his fan base... The director of The Passion of the Christ making a movie about HEATHEN PAGAN ESCHATOLOGY?! Say it ain't so! :)

12/20/2005 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Cpt'n Blackbeard,

arghhhh! capt. tis always a good ta hear ya! Tanks far de links!

You know; I know only two other fine Capt's that frequented this place. One named Richard H and the other named Sword....hmmmm.....and he is still here...hmmm...So if ya be someone other than either of them fine lads, wink , then that would make ya a third Capt......no no, not third rate!!....just the third Capt. amongst us awesome crew.
Kind of like three Wise men....well they were three pretty wise guys actually....they were real "characters" I tell ya....ya that first three they were crazy wise enough to chase a freakin star across the desert!...till they came to a stable place..har har har! lol. Sooo....it was really about that trio of horses eh?, yup there in the picture there..tanks SWORD! A trinity it is... nd the Dawn Horse is a Visionary Horse, more wiser than men, and they were no stranger to the manger...they could smell the hay and the wise guys could see the light...
riding were they with all their might,
on the backs of sacred horses of flight.

arghhh, i nose it..back to scrubbin the barn.icles!!! ay ay

12/20/2005 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

crypto:
I too would like to read your paper.

mlmcinnis70@aol.com

12/20/2005 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger Ms. T said...

I came across this link and thought it was a wonderful concept of how life SHOULD be. Take it for what it is worth.

http://belovedfriends.us/

T

12/20/2005 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger Ms. T said...

This is a wild link as well.

http://www.christianspacemission.org/

T

12/20/2005 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Capt. Blackbeard,

arghhh me agin capt Blackbearden err umm sory that was another guy ya know, and for that he was a Col., that link had a nice quotyation respondin from Col. Bearden don't ya tink? Didn't really make it a fake did it now?
But eye be worrying some hearin again about those bad Yakuza and their weather ways of war. Kinda remines me of the ol Capt.R with his topics aboot a weather war and controled hurry.canes trying to beat us to de feet. Now theys a scary bunch them Yakuza if I ever saw, maybe scared our Capt R off ya think?
a thing they call global reach, scares me well enough. They got a real big tickle stick mor dangerous than me plank.
But alas lads me thinks our salvation is a real big and shiny SWORD, so Ise worryin no more no'in there are much bigger tougher buccaneers in dis world than them Yakuza bad guys.

Well back to tha dry-dock, though she ain't so dry, ale for everyone!


hey! if thers a 10-4 what is it if I'se got me 114 an 11-4. Oh O.K.!! open bar at SWORD's, ya!!!

12/20/2005 03:35:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

wow Ms T thats a pretty wild site!

12/20/2005 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

Sword: another interesting take on the birth of Christ. It seems some things never change! You have all the elements of today's world in place. A government feeling threatened by the arrival of a paradigm shift. Wise men who see the shift coming and wise enough to keep the government from messing up the creation of it. The mechanics of the travel of the wise men, the path of the star still puzzle me somewhat. Everything happens with modern speed but extraordinary circumstances often lead humans to achieve extraordinary things.

I'm most fascinated by this part: "2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy."

Since one would think that the star had been visible the whole time that it must have done something extraordinary to merit this additional notice. I don't think it's because it disappeared behind a cloud.

As for "John's" comment about the space shuttle: How do you know they don't already have something lined up to replace it? Doesn't have to be NASA's replacement given all the interest in militarising space. And what is it with things not appearing in the news? What's reported in the mainstream media is the barest fraction of what goes on in the world everyday. I'd be less surprised by something not appearing than surprised because something did. Especially if it has anything to do with any topics discussed here.

12/20/2005 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

ms t said;
Wayne, your post keep me grounded. U bring a great prospective in the mix of my mind.

Peace, Love & Unity

Staying Tuned

12/20/2005 12:25:22 PM

Glad to be of some preservation. ;)

jas,
That was New Hempshire. ;)


and john,
You really have to think outside the box to get all of what we're talkling about on this blog. We jump around a lot of subjects, but the end result is the same. We are trying to understand everything that the "normal" world is keeping from us. I think you are missing that point. Because in all the info flying around the world, somewhere in there is truth. The gathering of all the little truths equals a big truth. Connecting the truths together is something we are trying to do. Lean back, take a dep breath and open your mind my friend. There is a whole world of stuff out there to learn and experience.


Wayne

Good to seee you around again LDA! :)



armaluu

12/20/2005 06:22:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Hemp-SHIRE eh?

A whole 'Shire' dedicated to Hemp...

dat meks me smile...

but why stop at a 'Shire', lets have the whole planet free, PARADIGM shift...

Latter_Days_Aint, yep, and yep again, they ( Watchtower Bible and Tract $ociety
), must not just see the writing on the wall, they ( Watchtower Bible and Tract $ociety
) must be using whole sale industrial paint to cover up the FONT of DOOM from their walls or soon their soon to be crumbling grip on the sanity of so many people...

12/20/2005 07:09:00 PM  
Blogger djbarney said...

Jasgrave333 :-)

> Disaffiliated members become known informally, like the rest of
> humanity, as "bird seed" in line with biblical prophesy of the fate
> of non-believers, whose corpses will be pecked bare by crows.

WOW! Have these guys been watching zombie films? Bird Seed ? Ha!

It does remind me A LITTLE of this 2012 thing.

On Dec 2012 a flash of light will solve ALL mans problems.

The End.

Mmmmmm.

Of course we all know that it's a cosmic process where people
actually have to DO things. PHYSICAL ACTIONS. Don't we ?

That thing with the pyramid (mentioned in http://www.aztlan.net/apocalypto.htm
lining up with the Pleiades I find very profound.

Could those Pleiadians be up to something ? Is Barbara Marciniak
http://www.pleiadians.com/
speaking to the same guys that the Maya were ?

Could Alien contact and help ALREADY have happened with the Maya?

Depends on your perspective I guess. A slimy alien hand or a
distant psychic source ? Mmmmm.

Biological_Unit :-)

I can appreciate your cynicism :-(

There ARE very real things that do work, not a free-nrg
device in this case, but cures for AIDS !

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/

Actual therapies...REAL videos of people who have had their lifes
saved :-)

John :-)

I think you're doing fine (hope that's not patronising!).

You've dropped onto a ship with some embattled pirates who
can't help trying to 'educate' you for your own safety !

God....does that sound patronising ?

djbarney

12/20/2005 07:41:00 PM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

WOW. It took me an hour to catch up.

Sword,
Great part 2. Seems there is some doubt about the HOW of the time schedule. ie: HOW did they travel so quickly such a great distance WHILE taking the time to stop and check in on our resident villain Herod. I think this one is right there in front of our noses....
These guys have been studying and waiting for 250 generations. Dontcha think MAYBE they already knew where it would first appear, and what path it would take? I mean it WAS foretold an all. Just my opinion...whatever that means;)

John-dear, Part of growing up is coming to grips with the reality that EVERYONE with more POWER than you will lie to you if they feel it benefits them. Your parents must be wonderfully loving and trusting people to have brought you up with so much innocence. I admire them for it, but disagree with it. I teach my children that the TRUTH, no matter how much it hurts, it ALWAYS better than a LIE. I teach them that NOTHING about LIFE is FAIR. And I teach them that they can only ever depend on themselves and each other. (Trust no one). You seem to be a very sheltered young man and I hope that you are soaking up everything that you learn here. YOU WILL NEED IT SOON.


Crypto: I would love to read your paper. stefanee.gonzales@sbcglobal.net
Of course it may take me a while. I am still finishing up with another one :)

Mrs. T Thanks for your kind words, I have one thing to say: Weekends at Grandmas! LOL

I really must go sleep now. I have had 3 hours a night for 2 nights....no work for a week and suddenly too much. Ah...at least there will presents under the tree! In case none of you are around this weekend, Merry CHRISTmas, and Happy HOLYdays.

Oh that reminds me...My 15yr old was the only kid in History class today to stand up for the majority Christians right to say Meryy Christmas, and for the right for students to pray in school...to ANY God. I am so PROUD of her.

May we all be divinely guided this season to be bearers of light and love with everyone we meet. May we all be blessed with truth and joy. May we all be blessed with wisdom and courage and and honesty. May we all be blessed. Feliz Navidad.

Sleepy Stef

12/20/2005 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

djbarney said:
That thing with the pyramid (mentioned in http://www.aztlan.net/apocalypto.htm
lining up with the Pleiades I find very profound.

-Me too DJ. BTW, Glad to see you. Hope all is well, or at least as well as can be.

12/20/2005 07:57:00 PM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Biological_Unit :-)

I can appreciate your cynicism :-(


I am someone who has seen a UFO in the '70s but has seen nothing "derive" from it!!

All those sightings and the best Science can do is maybe make better electric motors.

12/20/2005 09:09:00 PM  
Blogger zebowho said...

Sword, good follow up. wait'in for the third.

Crypto Ion, your posts of the last couple days have been very poignant. Lotsa insights and from the rest of the crew too...well almost!

Crypto, put me on your list as well, Sunking should have my email. If not he will tonight when I send some prelim FSHOD pix. Anyway, I've always felt that something just wasn't right with most maps but could never put my finger on it and reading your take is very interesting to say the least. I can't wait to start diggin into those links you posted in the last comment section.

BTW - An update on Robert for those interested. I received an email two nights ago from Cydonia Smoking Room by Gary "Mars Revealer" stating that Robert has (then) been home for 4 days recovering and is even laughing. Keep him in your prayers as I will and hope to see him here soon. Happy holidays to Robert, his family and everyone here.

Sunking...FSHOD pix and potential logos are on their way.

-z

12/20/2005 09:25:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

krazyby4kids said...

"John-dear..."


(groans) BAD JOKE! BAD JOKE! LOL! (for those who didn't get it, think John-Deere tractors)...

Ssl4000g, you're right, we DO jump around a lot. I like thinking outside the box, but the problem is that most of the stuff I think doesn't click with Occham's Razor, which basically says that the simplest explanation's usually the right one. Now, that doesn't mean that it's ALWAYS right, but I've found that it's right a lot of the time...

Krazyby4kids, my parents keep telling me that life isn't always fair, but I don't think that it's NEVER fair. You said "(trust no one)", so here's a question; why should I trust you, or Jas, or Sunking, or Nightstar, or anyone on this blog? For that matter, why should you all trust me? Why don't we all just live in constant fear of each other, always wondering which one of us will be backstabbed first? You see what I'm getting at? Without trust, we'd be a planet full of paranoia. People might not get married, because they were afraid to trust their future spouse. We as a race would cease to function without trust. We trust people/things every day. We trust that an airliner's engine won't fall off mid-flight. We trust that the driver of the Metro train can safely drive the train. We trust that the captain of an oil tanker won't intentionally run aground. We trust that the firefighters will come and rescue us if we're trapped in a blaze. Astronauts trust that the people who made their spacesuit didn't get careless. I could go on, but I'd be here for quite a while. My point is that trust is essential to our society...

Wow, that was a rant...

Djbarney, don't worry, you're not patronizing me. Thanks for the encouragement...

John

12/20/2005 11:15:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

My disclaimer for anyone reading my article : think of it like a chemistry experiment. The theory is at the beginning, which is what I wrote, while the experiment (data and maps to plot the data) is not yet included. The notes for the images are there, just not the images.

My email is film4@shaw.ca

12/20/2005 11:20:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Kby4kids said...

>My 15yr old was the only kid in History class today to stand up for the majority Christians right to say Meryy Christmas, and for the right for students to pray in school...to ANY God. I am so PROUD of her.

May we all be divinely guided this season to be bearers of light and love with everyone we meet. May we all be blessed with truth and joy. May we all be blessed with wisdom and courage and and honesty. May we all be blessed. Feliz Navidad.

Sleepy Stef<

You're doing good work at home - I hope when my son is 15, he is as wise as your daughter !!!!

12/20/2005 11:23:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

latter_days_aint
you said...
SK,

Good to be back! I'm flattered to hear that my presence has been missed - or, at the very least, my absence has been noticed. :) "Old man", eh? Well, I certainly feel that way at times. I DID just turn 29... :)

I promise I'll try to be less "not-here"... even though I'm still not "all there". Just needed to clear my head for a bit and get a few things sorted out in the ol' melon. Haven't been not-myself in a while. I'm sure you don't understand. :)

Sooner...

12/20/2005 12:00:04 P.M.


IonTruO2-->Well you retuned your funny bone, that was good! :) lol
Welcome back prodigal bro.

mrs T., hello

errr ummm, o.k. now back flips.

Some of that content from our recent gymnastics involves some reading with depth and time, but hey thats o.k. Just passing it along for those that can discern.




starshipconstellation
you said...
Sword: another interesting take on the birth of Christ. It seems some things never change! You have all the elements of today's world in place. A government feeling threatened by the arrival of a paradigm shift. Wise men who see the shift coming and wise enough to keep the government from messing up the creation of it. The mechanics of the travel of the wise men, the path of the star still puzzle me somewhat. Everything happens with modern speed but extraordinary circumstances often lead humans to achieve extraordinary things.

I'm most fascinated by this part: "2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy."

Since one would think that the star had been visible the whole time that it must have done something extraordinary to merit this additional notice. I don't think it's because it disappeared behind a cloud.
12/20/2005 12:00:04 PM

IontruO2--> Nice angle! They obviously knew when and where. Diplomatically they had to update the King Herod with a pass through and some platitudes and a pit stop for the Horses.

These were Three Wise Horsemen.

Never underestimate the spiritually conscious role of the non-humans with regards to our Way.
... and so they showed us the way to the manger in the stable no less. The finest fasted endurance horses in the world those Arabians were.

If I understand your angle with regards to that point of their rejoicing, I would say it was the notable event of the flashing illumintaion of its destruction. As SWORD previously disclosed to us, that it occurred last time the "Star of Crossing" came around.

Further, if there were orginally twelve Maji Wise Men, where were the other three "teams" of three?
I also note they are all wearing different clothes, different shoes, different coloured horses. Perhaps implying a multiculteral endeavour, from a global representation.


To finish for tonight I would like to reflect again on Krazyby4kids(Steph's) heart wish:
May we all be divinely guided this season to be bearers of light and love with everyone we meet. May we all be blessed with truth and joy. May we all be blessed with wisdom and courage and and honesty. May we all be blessed. Feliz Navidad.

Sleepy Stef

PEACE said sleepy Ion

12/20/2005 11:28:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

You won't believe what I'm hearing on 630 AM WMAL on the John Batchelor show right now. He's talking to this guy who is saying that our Solar System might not have always been so isolated at one time, and that it might have "swapped planets" with other solar systems. The guy is the author of "Lonely Planets". Here's the link...

http://www.funkyscience.net/lonelyplanets/index.html

He said something along the lines of "People might have to get used to the idea that our Solar System may have hundreds of planets..." (because of all the new objects being discovered). This is incredible, the truth's starting to come out...

crypt0, that's what every kid should do, stand up for the right to have prayer in public school. (switches to an old man's voice) Now, when I was in school, we prayed right before going to lunch. (back to normal voice) Of course, I went to a private school, and I've never been to public school, so I thought prayer was normal for schools...

John

John

12/21/2005 12:07:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

stand up for the right to have prayer in public school.

Pray pray pray - or pay pay pay

Why? Afraid of Hell?
Just asking! I know people here are "sensitive" (wuss)

12/21/2005 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

people here are sensitives
we feel your pain

12/21/2005 01:01:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

Ms. T said:
Gort, yesterday was the first time I have been to you site. WOW! It will take me a while to devour all the info there. I'm still doing mental gymnastics due to Ions post...lol
Gort=> are you sure you are not confusing me with GORO?
Last time I checked, my site had a picture of Comet Tempel 1 and a test of the different font styles in Blogger.
Goro is the uber-blogger! :)
Gort is still learning.
and still tsaying tuned
Gort

12/21/2005 01:34:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

Aha! No. 133

1+3+3 = 7
the number of perfection.

Gort

xsiznt

12/21/2005 02:16:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

Back to the wize guys...

Not convinced about the speed of the fiery rock across this planet.
When Comet Hale-Bopp was around a few years ago, it was visible to the nekked eye in the east for quite some time before it started appearing higher in the sky and earlier each night, until it reached it's apparent zenith and began appearing lower in the western sky each night until it went close to the sun at nearly sunset. Even though the comet was traveling through our solar system at breakneck speed, it was visible as a nearly motionless "star" (fuzzy star, or "bearded Star" as some of the Native American prophesies call it) each night for several months.
If I remember right, Hale-Bopp (the "Big Bopper")was visible "sans-telescope" from September to February or maybe March. Also, it was visible all around the northern hemisphere, not just in one rather small area.
In other words, each night two persons at the same lattitude but in different time zones would see the comet at the same relative position in the sky and at the same local time.
Maybe the star of Bethlehem was a "craft," or maybe it was a "supernatural phenomenon."
Maybe it was hyperdimensional.
Staying tuned
Gort

wsszl LOL

12/21/2005 02:53:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Gort,

Daniel 12:12 'happy is he who arrives at the 1335 days'...

1+3+3 = 7

and 5

7 5 = 911 or 92 or 9/10/11

Then there is Deut 5:1-33
(5th book, 5th chapter, 5th verse and 5th word...)

morning all...

12/21/2005 07:48:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Hale Bopp was awesome
So was Shoemaker-Levy when it slammed into Jupiter

Golden Memories

12/21/2005 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

oh, if you count 1335 days from Sept 11th 2001, you would get to May 8th 2005...

Which 'coincidently', was the day, I found this document; WatchTower BS UN Document...


'Coincidence', would be a tough word to describe, the past few months... or even this year...

7 angels with 7 bowls of Anger in Revelation.

Revelation 9 - FIFTH angel.

SEVEN FIVES 1 3 3 5

just linking some numerological dots...

12/21/2005 08:09:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

The other 'coincidence'.

Is that Dec 9/10/11th of 2005

the Day 12/12

Dan 12:12 end of Torment, the start of paradigm change...

So from da peeping BUSH, stories of needed 'faster', access to spying...

And today;

Update 13: Paper: Judge Resigns Over Bush Spy Program
Forbes - 2 hours ago
A federal judge has resigned from a special court set up to oversee government surveillance to protest President Bush's secret authorization of a domestic ...
Judge resigns to protest Bush's domestic spying program: report Xinhua
Report: FISA judge resigns over Bush plan Science Daily (press release)
Judge resigns over surveillance Fort Worth Star Telegram
Leading The Charge - all 186 related »

now with this 'Judge', retiring, is BUSH, in deeper hotter root soil?

I wonder if this Judge, 'prays', or believes in 'intelligent' design...

All Judges better be praying, removing Intelligent design from schools by an Unintelligent Judge.

It's true 'religion', Hijacks all HD supreme theory, but the very fact that the debate regarding a supreme being has not gone away, and the FACT That EVELUTION REMAINS A THEORY... sums up the situation;

Keep the masses looking down at their feet, enslaved to money, nothing to see up in Space folks, now pay your taxes, die quietly and shut up!!!

Enough you lieing goverments...

And what was that on CNN yesterday?

119 different chemicals in tap water, including Arsenic etc...

The worst US States were California, Florida etc...

Tap water contains hundreds of chemicals
The News Journal, DE - 3 hours ago
... chemicals and an additional 119 for which the ... data comes from nearly 40,000 water utilities, serving ... unenforced safety guidelines for tap water systems serving ...



191 members on the United Nations (of Freemasons)

911

and Revelation 9:11

seems to me that 119 191 911

are a little overused by the Illumin-naughty (CHA CHA CHA), Illumin-naughty...

12/21/2005 08:22:00 AM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

john said;
"Ssl4000g, you're right, we DO jump around a lot. I like thinking outside the box, but the problem is that most of the stuff I think doesn't click with Occham's Razor, which basically says that the simplest explanation's usually the right one. Now, that doesn't mean that it's ALWAYS right, but I've found that it's right a lot of the time..."

Occam's Razor, IMO, is not a panacea. In the almost onothodox gathering of information, sometimes the simplest answer is not an answer at all. It's just another piece of a very complicated puzzle. I think we see that on a consistent basis. Jusy keep thinking, don't just settle. To settle on something is to take the easy way out.


crypto,
Thanks. Plan on taking those on the holiday with me. Appreciate your trust in sharing.

zebowho said;
BTW - An update on Robert for those interested. I received an email two nights ago from Cydonia Smoking Room by Gary "Mars Revealer" stating that Robert has (then) been home for 4 days recovering and is even laughing. Keep him in your prayers as I will and hope to see him here soon. Happy holidays to Robert, his family and everyone here.

Sunking...FSHOD pix and potential logos are on their way.

-z

12/20/2005 09:25:48 PM

That's awesome to hear about Robert. He has a hard road to healing, I will send good energy his way. I miss his input and his dialog "duels" with sword. :)

Looking forward to that logo z! I actually used the F-SHOD in a conversation last night. :)

iontruO2 said;
"Further, if there were orginally twelve Maji Wise Men, where were the other three "teams" of three?
I also note they are all wearing different clothes, different shoes, different coloured horses. Perhaps implying a multiculteral endeavour, from a global representation."

We base so much of this "history" on interpretation. I have been doing much thinking on our (contemporary) history and how future generations will interpret us. Keeps me thinking I'll tell ya.


Wayne

12/21/2005 08:32:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Revelation has some real poignant moments, for me, the symbology, the Crossing of the Star the WISE men and the liberty lids...

Is summed up in a feeling a hope a vision for how things will turn out;

(I hope you dont mind me pasting this scripture, it's probably better off reading in ya own bibles (if ya got one) a KJV that Sword is fond of.

"
Revelation 21:1-27

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.
2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them.
4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”


imagine drinking water, that isn't polluted with a million chemicles, technology exists that can do that.

Imagine living in the tropics, with your own 'Zero point' or free energy device, powering your rum shack or your likkel beach home...

Imagine growing your own fruits easily in the rich fertile soil, with the aid of Anti-gravity harvesters

or my favourite;

Exploring the Universe and finding bigger better beaches with more wind and higher waves...

Where the Cannabis grows freely...

Well

The rest of the verse goes on;

Revelation 21:
5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also, he says: “Write, because these words are faithful and true.”
6 And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.
7 Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.


But for any liers, disinformants and those secretly trying to cover over the FACTS and EVIDENCE, the filthy Poohbahs, rich on oil greed, war mongering with innocent desperate people;


Revelation 21:

8 But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and fornicators and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This means the second death.”


These ones will not be getting a ride in da space ship or living in peace and love, they will be forgotten forever... Not to prematurely Judge, but if I could just have a dart board with bush's face on it...

But then it has some real pretty words and does go on, so I'll paste in these few verses and if your not all still asleep, or going to pin the pecker head trophy to mi ranting ass, then these few verses;

9 And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls which were full of the seven last plagues, and he spoke with me and said: “Come here, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.”
10 So he carried me away in [the power of the] spirit to a great and lofty mountain, and he showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God
11 and having the glory of God. Its radiance was like a most precious stone, as a jasper stone shining crystal-clear.


You all still awake? :D

12/21/2005 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

OK, seeing as ya all still waking up, will add a little more with commentry;


Revelation 21:

15 Now the one who was speaking with me was holding as a measure a golden reed, that he might measure the city and its gates and its wall.

(Revelation 11:1 the reed is first mentioned, along with Olive trees that produce Oil, that power two Oil Lamps that burn and illuminate before the Lord)


16 And the city lies foursquare, and its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs; its length and breadth and height are equal.

It's a cube... Borg... :) just kidding, looks pretty big tho, a Golden Shem...



17 Also, he measured its wall, one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to a man’s measure, at the same time an angel’s.

Now that is interesting eh?

144 cubits and Revelation 14: - 144,000

1+4+4 = 9

Angels and Man(s) number...

12/21/2005 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Kb4K,
Sooth advise to Little John (hehe).

John,
Trust is all fine and dandy, part of the human experience and you're right...how could we live life without it? But in the Grande Irony that is life, the breaking of 'trusts' is often the thing that brings such bad times in our lives, and the breaking of those trusts should not be unexpected, for they will occur.

But then, ya gotta know the bitter, to taste the sweet!

General comments:
1. I do not believe in organized prayer in schools. 'True' prayer, to me, is something more sincerely done alone,in a dark corner, in a proper meditative state (and any Xian who thinks that getting on your knees in a quiet room, composing yourself and your thoughts to 'talk' to God is NOT meditation, is in complete denial!). Christ himself condemned those who prayed in public. Rote, organized prayer makes prayer about as meaningless as the daily rote repetition of the Pledge makes Liberty and Allegiance meaningless. (Note that , if memory serves me well, up until the 1930s (?) the raised arm salute (made infamous by the Nazis) was used during recitation of the pledge!) Prayer should be done at home and at church...NOT the school.

2. The so-called 'War on Christmas' is so much propaganda BS, designed to rally Xians 'round yet another flagpole. Sells books and stokes the fires of activist Xians! Keeps the pews filled and the tithe flowing! So effing what if a store that serves peoples of all faiths or philosophies just says 'Happy Holidays'? How is that really hurting YOU or taking the meaning out of Xmas? Poppycock. Balderdash. More pure emotionalism designed to stir the masses. It is foolishness to fall for such tactics. Pay more attention to your Jesus and less to David Limbaugh and other such turdbakers.

3. If you folks try to turn this blog into an Xian love-fest, I will disappear faster than RCH! I have no problem disussing the philosophy, history, relation to science, Genesis, etc aspects of spirituality, religion and Christianity, in general, (Have I not allowed Sword to post his blogs?)...but when we start congratulating ourselves because a kid spouts Xian proaganda at school, we come dangerously close to a place I do not want us to be. Nothing personal and I ain't mad at ya and am not trying to be an asshole or embarrass anyone by pointing this out. But I am trying to 'delicately' point out that there is a very fine line here and this blog will degenerate into Sunday School if not controlled and we will lose focus and crewemembers.

I hope I am communicating this effectively...I do not seek to alienate any of you. Focus on my 'fine line' point, because I DO think that religion/spirituality is a valid part of the mix.

End o' rant.
Peace, Love, Dope....and Merry Christmas! :)

12/21/2005 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Hi all...

Ssl4000g, I never thought of Occham's Razor that way...

7 years to go until Dec. 21, 2012, which is supposed to be when all this stuff the Mayans predicted happens...

John

12/21/2005 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

looking at more;

it's constructed Thusly;

18 Now the structure of its wall was jasper, and the city was pure gold like clear glass.


Mono-Atomic Gold? (18 = 6+6+6)


19 The foundations of the city’s wall were adorned with every sort of precious stone: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chal·ced´o·ny, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth sar´do·nyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrys´o·lite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrys´o·prase, the eleventh hyacinth, the twelfth amethyst.


That's heavy duty Bling. Da lords ride is blinged out, and Zoot suits are an of course, wardrobe item (along with Surf robes and Jedi gadgets)...

DA sound system is 133,000 HAARPWATTS...


21 Also, the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each one of the gates was made of one pearl. And the broad way of the city was pure gold, as transparent glass.


Now a pearl is something that a creature makes by secreting a calcium carbonate compound around an irritating piece of matter that has gotten inside it's sensitive self...

We each are pearls.

Each of us, being before God, a character that with the secretion of love, (good characters, truthful, funny etc, etc) have become like pearls; Sure we are hard rock knuckle heads on the inside, but over time, we have become pearls of humans/messengers... God loving and fearing... cool dat...

Just grokking out loud...

So a Gate with a Single pearl at each door, shows that an entrance to each of the 3 doors on the 4 side, have a character or something beutiful guarding the entrance to da blinged out ride...

Symbology...

12/21/2005 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

OH...also, this is not a SDA or WT hate site. Ease up on it fellas and lets get into meatier topics.

Not trying to be a censor, just trying to produce a good roadshow
for the joy and entertainment of all.

Besides, all 'good' Christians know that the Mormons and SDAs are going to hell anyway, along with the Muslims, so why waste time! LOL!

12/21/2005 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

SunKing, it's all part of Disclosure, imagine what would happen world wide.

If 6 million JW's, who are marching round every day knocking on peoples doors, preaching to you about, 'GODS Kingdom' and trying to hand you magazines, landing a heavy guilt trip on you about not going to meetings 5 times a week and also preaching, just like Jesus did...

Are told that their religion is NOT neutral from this world and this is why;

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

what would they do?

They would point blank have to say eh?

What do you mean?

They would fall over, if everyone on this blog, printed out that United Nations Document and asked why their hasn't been an apology to the public or the Jehovah's witnesses themselves...

The wheels would fall off the waggon SunKing.

Imagine all 6 million JW's suddenly realising, that they are not neutral, or no part of this world, just as JESUS Commanded to be.

This is not Watchtower Hate, this is EXPOSING THE TRUTH, as many times as it takes...

IT cannot be forgotten, that countless thousands of CULT blind witnesses lost their life in 70's Africa under Mugabe, for not buying a $0.25cent voting card, cos the Watchtower Bible and Tract $ociety
told them they were not being neutral by buying these cards...

What fucking hypocrrites SunKing.

In fact, what this is all the rants above, are get peace on Sunday get out of JW knocking days...

Hand every JW one of these bits of paper

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf


And I guarantee everyone on this blog, will never have a Witness call on their door again...

SunKing Word bro ;)

12/21/2005 09:38:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

SunKing, this needs to be exposed in every single place it can be.

Six million Watchtower Bible and Tract Society members, have been lied to since 1991...

Just like the American Public with the BUSH I spy something beggining with Bullshit disclosure...

9/11 was an inside job, we pretty much know that.

So Oil for Food scandals started in 1991

Watchtower bible and Tract Society were in with the UN from 1991

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

Then Oct 8th 2001 - dissasociates itself (got caught by Guardian Newspaper)

2001 Sept 11th 9/11 (3.5 weeks before JW scandal)...

and

2001 End of OIL for Scandals in UNITED NATIONS Corruption food programme, where 2500 companies benefitted from Kickbacks under the 'project'.

Including Kojo, and Kofi Annan.

There is a FREEMASON TEMPLE in the UNITED NATIONS HQ NY Building

BUSH is a 33rd degree oily freemason...

SunKing, do I need to join up the dots again?

It's all linked to disclosure...

6 million JW's are just the start...

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

Print it out, give it to any JW that harrasses you on the street or on the doors, and ask why they aren't neutral from da world...

PEACE AT LAST :)

12/21/2005 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

That also means SunKing, without an apology on the part of Watchtower Bible and Tract $ociety
, they are still not neutral from the world.

So every magazine, that get's printed, Watchtower and Awake, are also not neutral.

Why is that important?

Supposedly along with Jehovah's name, there is doctrine printed in every single magazine that perports, to claim that the material is dedicated soley for Gods Kingdom and the proclamation thereof.

However, the United Nations deal, was that the Watchtower Bible and Tract $ociety
print UN ideals and charters in the Magazines regularly, promoting UN ideal.

That means, the UN world charter, for capatalistic oily peace, is none other than satanistic, money loving nefarious, secretive elitistes, trying to kill any Freedom loving opposers.


It means, that every Sunday, for an Hour, Jehovah's Witness's study the Watchtower. They have to answer questions from the paragraphs, they are guilt tripped into studying and researching at the hence and peril of being eyebrow beaten by the elders, and further depressed into a special 'sheperding program' for the weak ones.

The watctower magazine, is the Jehovah's witness cross.

They would rather quote a watchtower than the bible...

Expose the TRUTH SunKing.

Disclosure!!!


http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

Studying a mind numblingly spiritually lost magazine, that it is, is not impartial, and is NOT then simply telling the TRUTH.

Each magazine, is carefully concealing the TRUTH, as are NASA and USA/EUROPE/WORLD goverments.

Disclosure SunKing

6 Million United Nation JW's,
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

12/21/2005 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Jas, my brother...

Yes, I understand that it needs to be disclosed. But I think it's been adequately disclosed here. Once a week is enough reminder...multiple times I day...and I tend to gloss over and move to the next post. Over-repetition may cause another message you may have included to be overlooked.

And do note that most non-SDA folks have no interest or concern at all about the issue. Hence, the lack of fevered opposition, or even care, from our part.

Beat the drum, brother...but know that the long drum roll (i.e. continuous 'beating') soon attains the status of background noise.

12/21/2005 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

By the Bright light of the Star of Crossing, they could ride all night, on horses renowned for their endurance.
Carried across great distance were they,
on horses that could ride fast all day.
Three wise ones together on their way.
A Twin Trinity I say, a symmetry at play,
Their mission well known,
what more to convey?

12/21/2005 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

another ting, the world is hell, it's hell to be killed a little bit more each day by pollutants and chemicals.

In the water, air and food.

Because, money loving, greedy BUSHes, wouldn't have their 'new' Armani and Guchi plant pots...

Because Elitistes, want all the power...

Isn't that HELL?

Aren't most people actually living in hell?

already?

enslaved to a MORTgage, a Health consulation system and a lie?

Vioxx and Viagra, instead of FREE Cannabis...

Counseling and Religion instead of the TRUTH.

This has to stop...

HELL it is in the 1st world...

Disclosure of TRUTH, will lead to a paradigm change and the new future without HELL'ish Satanic lies...

What real future lies ahead of a OIL econemy? What future lies ahead for your children?

If capatalists have the answer, the answer is for themselves...

Crypt0 is bang on, when he says TRICKLE down economics.

Two people in a relationship Each HAVING To work to get by... Two people having scrape together income to barely live...

Where is the love from the capatilistic f*ckers over that?

The "I'm Alright Jack" attitude that John represents, doesn't cut it for me.

I'm not alright, if I see people suffering and starving around the world.

Yes, I can numb the thought with a little rum, but they are still there, dieing in their millions.

Because here in the west, we are alright Jack?!!!!?

And then people will say, yeah, I'll send money, or yeah shame, but what can we do???

STOP THE LIE, disclose the TRUTH.

OIL MUST BE SIDELINED FOREVER!!!

NO MORE MONEY LOVING!!!

Release the patents for FREE ENERGY and disclose ALL THE TRUTH.

Why did the United Nations, NOT persue an Inquiry against the
watchtower when watchtower pulled out?

Why has their been no Apology and a covering up since?

All that is done in the darkness will be found out in the light.

12/21/2005 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Ah, but you try a google search for
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf you will see more people, linking in and trying to disclose this.

Imagine one religion, being up in arms, completly, over the
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf scandal?

SunKing, that would affect all religions... it's knock on affect would be freaking huge...

Banging the drum, once a week, I haven't mentioned it in a while, so I'll do it once more:


http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

sigh, trust me, hand a door knocking JW the printout above and see what happens...

(sparks will generally fly...)

hi hi hi, ok going surfing...

12/21/2005 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

iontru02, Thanks for your kind reply to my observation about the Star of Crossing. It would make sense that the Star might flare up brightly to signal that the Wise Men had arrived at their destination.

Now for the twelve wise men. It occurs to me that if you are seeking to make sure an event happens and you know there are others out there trying to prevent it, it would make sense to send out teams that would ensure Herod and his operatives would not find the true birth. They were obviously successful since we know Herod attempted a far more bloody and horrific method to compound his original failure.

Maybe its because Sword is the author of this blog, but I keep seeing this in military terms. The wise men are more like a Sword unit, they are charged with the carrying out of duties that were prescribed to them years before their actual birth and how do we know that in addition to whomever they may have been publicly weren't trained their entire lives for this one mission?

Sunking: I don't know the mechanics of this particular blog website, but is it possible to create a frequently updated links page? I hate to admit that when Jasgrave333 is on a tear about the JW, I tend to not read his posts as closely or at all than I do when he is working on the numbers. (No disrespect intended Jasgrave, but those posts in great numbers do tend to become background noise.) This links page would also be an archive of sorts for the links provided by bohemia so that if we need to go back to earlier links we can find them.

thanks.

12/21/2005 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

starship,
Yeah..we could do something like that!

12/21/2005 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Starshipconstellation;

I'm sorry if my disffellowshipping this year from that sad religion, is boring you.

But according to that RELIGION, none of my former friends or family can talk to me again, because I exposed the TRUTH, to THREE elders here, and they deemed that I was not worthy to be loved by GOD...

Think about it, before you blurt out some unthinking shit again please?

Because, if you were of that religion, this news http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

would be the wake up call...

ITS ALL LINKED!!!

ALL OF IT...

UN/NASA/WHITEHOUSE/FREEMASONS/ILLUMINATI 9/11

AND NUMBERS

So Think about the above, and the angle of disclosure...

Give every JW knocking at your door EVIDENCE of a cover up and a look at thier hypcriticle stance.

Their blood lies, and peadophillia cover ups, which I was witness too (ironically) in Maidenhead UK congregation.

The elders outright lied, about a situation of child abuse.

So starshipconstellation, continue to skip by my oh so boring revelations, whilst you carry on getting harrassed every Sunday, by this door knocking cult;

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

12/21/2005 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

There is a link Starshipconstellation, it's here:

Apocolypse Dec 10th ~ 555 5 555

So what TRUTH have you got Starship?

What angle do you have to expose?


Can you get me the NASA tempel 1 Spectrographic pictures?

Or are you a JW?

12/21/2005 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger Ms. T said...

Morning to ya Crew

Jas, we must not have many JW's here or else they are not knocking on my door. If they do, KNOW THIS...I will give them your revelation of TRUTH about the JW's. I was stuck in my little box of "baptist" for WAY too long. I am thankful that I found my way out with the guidance of my creator.

Great posts and links crew. I wanted to say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays or whatever u all celebrate....have a good holiday. For those of u that don't celebrate at all. I wish u a peaceful, joyous, loving, insightful time in life at this time.

To all...peace, love and unity regardless of our personal beliefs.
Thanks my brothahs and sistahs.

Ms. T

12/21/2005 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger djbarney said...

Ahhhhr! Info overload....I will analyse all
your new messages later.

First some humour:

Funny

Have any of you read the latest Pleiadian
newsletter (pleiadians.com) which FEATURES
the increase in Hyper-Dimensional Energy ?

It talks of the effects of this NRG.

Teotihuacan and Chitzan Itza are both
closely related to the Pleiades.

Where IS Hoagland for goodness sake ?!

I had a dream about him last night where
he was sitting being cantankerous and
upset about something (?)...people
(us, here?) were helping him build a wall
with cement. Still working out that one :-)

Mt Hoagland....we LOVE YOU :->

djbarney

12/21/2005 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Seriously, before, I turn my wand down to a less fiery sulphar, nobody reading this blog would get another door knocking from anyone representing the Watchtower bible and Tract Society, if they gave over a copy of this document;

Imagine being able to lie in, in peace (if you haven't got kids, John or the like) and not be disturbed by them again.

At least worth a print and a try eh?

So, to remind you, I grew up in that religion, I had hundreds of friends.

I was taught all my life (as I was growing up from a baby), that I was only to have friends within side the Watchtower bible and Tract society religion.

Since I was a baby, I attended 5 meetings a week, preached on doors, all my associations, were fellow JW's, except I had an inkling that was wrong even back then, and kept close friends with some real good peoples...

Putting this in better perspective.

Getting Diss-fellow-shipped, means that all your former JW friends and associations, will REALLY NOT talk to you again.

YES THEY Really DO THAT!!!

I should know.

That means, the WTBTS uses that as a weapon over people.

Speak out, we'll cut you off from all your friends and Family.

Using the cutting off (to keep the congregation clean) as a way of getting you out of the way.

It's really painful Starship.

You might ask, well they couldn't really be friends to do that.

That's how cultified it is, yes, you could be real good friends, but the elders would make the pronouncement and that's it.

Disgusting and evil!!!

Considering, I've only got 3 parking tickets and two speeding tickets to my name, for entire life so far...

To be disfellowshipped, for pointing out the truth, some what smacks of speaking out against Dubya's war on terror... They will spy on you and harrass you...

As an adult, it's only really in the last 3 years or so, that I've woken up and seen the truth of love.

How judgemental I once was of other people, of their religions and their beliefs. Because to be a JW means that you believe, ONLY JW's will be saved...

How hateful is that?

I'm speaking out, that's all, and yes, once in a while, it's sickens me to think, that the WTBTS is misleading and wrecking so many more lives, lifes and famalies not to mention child abuse and hateful rules.

I think it deserves scrutiny, In my humble opinion, most of the cult members are as zealous mentally as me. That means, this document litterally would shake them awake, that's how bigger deal this is.

What do you think Jesus and the star was all about?

Jesus fullfilled the Mosaic law.

The star, wise men, apostles whole bleeding story was about selfless love. Love that would set us all free into peace.

We've had a mental visual taste of that bond, right here on this blog and in our everyday lives.

The wake up, spiritually, technically, politically we are all getting here, is so much sweeter than any meeting I ever listened to as a JW...

And there really is NO Collection plate to be passed amongst us, we truly here (by da courtesy of Google) free and FREELY.


Oh and Faux news, just reported that Katrina WAS a CAT 3 when she landed at 3:30...

12/21/2005 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

Let us not go to war "with God on our side" (Bob Dylan)
For how long has the con been using that psy-op?
Maybe they invented that program.
I agree with all that sunking said a few posts above.
It's all too easy to fall for the bait wrapped in xmas ribbon.
Passionate warring will divide da crew and that would be just sad.
uni

12/21/2005 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

And Ms T, I never got have a Christmas time per se, with tree and all that milarky.

I used to tell people, I didn't miss it, when I was a kid (WTBTS told us that was a good thing to say).

Seeing all the fun going on and not being part of it all my life.

Being set apart at school, because of religious teachings.

They taught me, that the United Nations was the wild beast. 666 represented the UN. The material printed hand numerous pictures of people being destroyed at Armageddon in their literature.

So I didn't get Xmas. Hah! but this year I've put up some decorations, cos I like da sparkly baubles... looks real perty...

12/21/2005 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

yep, Uni, no God on mi side stuff...

No MORE organised RELIGION.

It just causes divides!

So to free yourself of Door knocking door to door representatives of the WTBT$, will help set them free too.

Also, they will never knock at your door again, you've just handed them the TRUTH.

OK. I'm done talking about it for now... grrrrrrrrrrrr

12/21/2005 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Toad said...

Forgive me for Im not a religious man but did JW spring from christianity? If so, than I think Jas is right on when he says every thing is linked. Maybe this is the disclosure but it happend 10 days later? Furthermore,was Sword trying to get Jas security clearance for something? Did Sword (not to give him to much credit)or his "friends" have something to do with this JW whistle blower? Just food for thought.

12/21/2005 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger Ms. T said...

Jas, I have ALWAYS done the WHOLE Christmas thing. That's the way my parents raised us. Not so much from the spiritual side (i was taught it was the birth of Christ) but mom was more on the whole secular side... tree, stockings, food, candy, many presents etc. I did however have some neighbors that were JW. U are right about cutting their peops off from family and friends. It was crazy. They wouldn't let their children come to our house. Then when their children grew up, the family had some problems. The dad was caught having an affair, which he repented in front of the JW congregation and was forgiven while his son had a girlfriend that was NOT JW. He was kicked out of the JW congregation. His family kicked him out of the house. He was homeless and ALONE!! It was sad. Then his younger sister was molested by some of the elders of the congregation. She tried to reveal it thru the church because she was so distraught but they told her to keep it quiet. So she went to the police. She was alienated from the congregation and HER FAMILY as well for going outside the JW church!!!! Truly horrible things going on with those JW elders. Kinda reminds me of the Catholic BS with pediphilia. Weird stuff. I feel ya bro.

DISCLOSURE for all by all. That's the only way.

Hope u enjoy your shiny baubles this year. They are pretty.

T

PS please ride a big wave for me. I would love that. thanx

12/21/2005 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

jasgrave333 said...

There is a link Starshipconstellation, it's here:

Apocolypse Dec 10th ~ 555 5 555

So what TRUTH have you got Starship?

What angle do you have to expose?


Can you get me the NASA tempel 1 Spectrographic pictures?

Or are you a JW?

starshipconstellation said: No, I am not a JW. Every appearance of the JWs on my doorstep (which fortunately are now pretty rare) were met with a firm but respectful turning away. You on the other hand, are inadvertantly diluting your message with oversaturation. I'm not attacking you or your message. Only saying you have some oversaturation going on.

What truth do I have to expose? I don't believe I have ever claimed to be in possession of some capital lettered truth. Like many others here, I'm reading, taking it in and making comments sometimes.

I see that the JWs caused you a lot of pain and for that I feel some degree of sympathy. Especially since the JWs hardly have a monopoly on inflicting pain on others by dishing out the worst that fundamentalist Christianity has to offer.

NASA pictures? You must be confusing me with someone else.

12/21/2005 01:36:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Jas,

I think the point that Sunking and Starship are trying to make is that a little goes a long way. Especially, when it is the same link posted over and over. I have no doubt that your discovery of the JW's dirty little secret has been a major shock and a seed change for you. When someone sees something for what it is, a number of emotions occur and what you are feeling is normal but I'm going to offer a piece of advice, GET OVER IT.

Accept what you have learned as a hard lesson, part of life and move on. I've had bad experiences in organized religion. It hurts, blows your mind rethinking things and then ultimately pisses you off. I know what it's like to have eveything you believe to be true exposed, but to beat it in the ground only serves to make you angrier and keeps you from growing and moving on. It allows the JW's to keep a hold on you. The only way to get truly out is by going thru.

You WILL find new friends, new truths and a new peace that will make your days easier, as if a tropical paradise isn't enough LOL.

It is a hard thing to do but the choice is up to you whether you stay lingering in the pain and anger or whether you get up, dust yourself off and move on. If you feel like you should be spreading the word to other JW's then maximize your efforts by posting or sharing your information in a venue where JW's will hear you.

12/21/2005 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Starship, it's pain, of being lied to the entire time.

"I see that the JWs caused you a lot of pain and for that I feel some degree of sympathy. Especially since the JWs hardly have a monopoly on inflicting pain on others by dishing out the worst that fundamentalist Christianity has to offer."

I was put aside, left out, told not to get involved with sooo much good stuff, as a kid, that I am greatful for the sanity that pervails despite so much, evidence and TRUTH of deception.

I'm only glad that when I saw it for myself, that I didn't self destruct...

OK, how about this, can everyone print a copy of that document, and at least if one of those JW people come to your door, say whoop whoop sends this (give em the UN doc).

That's all mi is asking...

I hear ya Bubba, but I'm talking about a lot of people who are in the same painful state I was and a single document could set their pain free...

That document set me free...

I've got so many friends who are in that kind of pain, some have commited suicide, others are emotional wrecks.

It's not healthy Bubba hyde, not healthy at all.

My banging on about it, is just a way of reminding anyone reading this blog, that a simple Disclosure over the UN scandal would tip a world wide OILy scandal, that leads right back to UN and eventually BUSH...

It's another chain reaction ting...

If the JW's (like mi parents) hear from people on the doors, that they KNOW about the UN scandal, the JW's knocking will start asking very disturbing important questions of their elders.

Bubba this is so big, it could be the straw that breaks the disclosure and oil scandals back...

If there were enough of us...

12/21/2005 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

meaning, that JW's do NOT have a defence for this Document.

They have no bible way of arguing against it.

If my older family and former JW friends saw this document, or it was handed to them from you on the door. It would imediatley give you a solid reason to say, '"unless you fix this, and get an apology from your WTBT$ people, then never call again - please.

It would send an Earthquake like shock through everyone of those poor pained people knocking at your door.


Bubba, paradise is not enough, when so many people ARE suffering.

No, I'm not ALRIGHT JACK. I might live in Five STAR luxury (wife works for Large Hotel here).

And next to white sandy beaches, blue seas and warm breezes... it's not enough that you are all still suffering in ya own small ways, you've all been lied to.

Work all your life, get a pension, work for your house investment, that's where your future is son...

Fuck is it. Look at those people in New Orleans this year. I knew something was up. who would listen to me?

Come on Bubba see the bigger picture, it's about everyone, living in peace and love. Not just mi lucky herb soaked self.

I can see it, I'm doing my damdest to help other people see it.

What would you have done on the TITANIC Bubba? I'd have woken up and gotten every soul that could be saved out and up...

Just look at me ranting here, about something so piddly as the UN and http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf

But it's spiritually huge Bubba, if you saw the symbolism of Dec 10th fire then you know what I mean.

Mi pained bredren and sistren are still slaving away, spending money on http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf literature and painfully feeling unworthy to even question the validity of what elders say.

It's that bad!

12/21/2005 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

jasgrave333, I'm willing to print it up and keep it near my door for the day a JW comes knocking. I've had some experiences of my own with the bad side of fundamentalist Christianity. It almost always involves discovering you have been either lied to and those who put themselves out there as some kind of paragon of their beliefs become unmasked for the frauds they truly are.

I really hope for your own sake that you can be free of your pain. Once you are free of that, you can hopefully begin to know true joy. Who knows what powers of your mind can be unleashed once free of pain.

kind regards,
starshipconstellation

12/21/2005 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger bryansail said...

Jas I AM going to hand that document to the JW's who will be
back at my door 12-31-05 Saturday
morning. As I gave them a tiny window to return. I give you my word on it.

To all have a happy holidays, ...
love, love and more love to ya all. As good as it gets in 'this'
world. -Bryan

12/21/2005 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Thanks starship, it's this time of year, you start reminiscing bout the good times with ya friends and family and realise, that sadly they are still living in a lie.

Yep, I'm pretty much free of any of that pain, but I deeply miss those I love most, my old friends.

If they could only see what we see, or have that one document handed to them, it would put a lot of TRUTH in those who most deperately need it hands.

Thank you Bryan, bro and Starship, yep, that would be the start.

fantastic, can ya tell me what happens?

I should imagine not much, they will not come back, but it will be interesting... :D

Love peace, and have a great holiday and whatever you choose to call this time of year...

Me, am gonna call it, XMAS :P

seeing as Plenet X made a turn up this year (according to NASA).

12/21/2005 02:39:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

starshipconstellation,
you said...
iontru02, Thanks for your kind reply to my observation about the Star of Crossing. It would make sense that the Star might flare up brightly to signal that the Wise Men had arrived at their destination.

Now for the twelve wise men. It occurs to me that if you are seeking to make sure an event happens and you know there are others out there trying to prevent it, it would make sense to send out teams that would ensure Herod and his operatives would not find the true birth. They were obviously successful since we know Herod attempted a far more bloody and horrific method to compound his original failure.

Maybe its because Sword is the author of this blog, but I keep seeing this in military terms. The wise men are more like a Sword unit, they are charged with the carrying out of duties that were prescribed to them years before their actual birth and how do we know that in addition to whomever they may have been publicly weren't trained their entire lives for this one mission?
12/21/2005 10:50:49 AM

IonTruO2-->Yes! Yes! and Yes! Good Grokking together Starshipconstelation.

I would have been exstatic if that star flashed in massive illumination at that auspicious moment.
Sadly it was destroyed but I would have been dancing in the light of that event, blown away(oops bad pun!) by the good fortune of my life to be there at that time of all times.

I felt the same about the twelve. Four teams of three, a cubing or four square effort, a classic confounding of the authorities.
I agree on the aspect of the public life and the most ordinary of appearances with their training, until the "life" time when the responsibilities would be called to activate.

Think of this: Can you imagine the conjunction in time for the likes of us here to be present Now for this time and this event?!
We are here in life on earth for a very rare and brief moment yet we good souls just happened to be around for this one in 2500-3500 years radical celestial event.
Pretty good stuff!! Glad I didn't show up in 1910 or something, just here NOW. Yahoo!!!!

So, lets consider that in this "Late Time" or "Dark Epoch" that the Ruchira Avatara Adi Da is indeed the God Being, already descended and present as an "apparently" individualized human embodiment as all great traditions understand occurs.

We already had the birth of Christ(Jesus) and he did his thing and it went off with a Bang! (punning!:))
So the "Son of God" manifested in a special moment and brought to this world many great teachings and blessings.
So that done, and if the God being Adi Da is already here in his full and pure Divine Presence Real Deal, then what might this occassion bring us in approx. 2012?
Trancendent illumination? A grand transformative shift?
No need for Christ again, the process or Way has moved even further in humankind's realization of the ONE Divine. That was his gift.
SWORD will play his sacred role and it may be sufficient, but perhaps we are to transcend duality itself and this current pattern this time around?

A rising up, Pheonix takes flight, a raising of the Spirit, a sorting of the hearts, a recalibration of the human program, an intervention of profound God proportions, time for a 7UP as we jump to the front of the karmic spiritual class of seven stages, the test of intention, the test of transcendent surrender, the test of the true HEART of us all.

Wow, I'm channeling Unipax!! lol
He had an even better one the other day!

One striking feature of the book "WORMWOOD" I am reading by Taylor is that the "Comet" not only brought Sky-quakes but it also "agitated" all beings everywhere and dogs ran crazy.
A shaking up, a "bitter-sweet" testing where "intentions" became more naked and obvious amongst peoples'. The veils were gone.
So the "Bitter-Truth" may well be the essence of what Wormwood is all about.

How is one oriented and are you good at heart to the bitter-end?

...and then things got "Better".

12/21/2005 03:13:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

In my earliest days of spiritual enthusiasm I felt at times like I was trying to deliver pizzas to people who didn't order them.

The first crack in the shell must happen from within, that first spark to awaken must come from the inner heart of one's being. Then they are "available" to be "helped".
That spark can be made into a permanent flame forever lit.

But I have learned in healing and awakening work that many want to persist in unconsciousness, and for some being ill serves themselves rather than being well and being happy.
So I put down the prying plyers and stop being a dentist of sorts and realized that only some have the wearwithall to grow beyond where they are.
Frying pan therapy only works best when we human's are not in the way, or trying to do it ourselves.
In other words, there's really no "shaking" them awake. Their conformity is their "comfort" blindly fooled by the tainted intentions of the control mongers and false religionists.

12/21/2005 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

JAS:
"doing Christmas" is one of my favorite things in life. The tree, the santa the crazy shopping, all of it. I don't worship Christ so I'm a secularist. It does not mean I am non spiritual. Love and Joy and Peace are what The Season is all about...FOR ME at least.
Put up a haunnakah bush, trim it in gaudy balls and ENJOY!

PS if the JW's come by Ill give them your phone number
(555)eat-shit. LOL
Love ya bro!

12/21/2005 03:43:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

It is amazing to me how much Mars has disapated in the night sky. I actually had trouble finding this orangy rangy thang that had a certain spatial relationship in the sky and especially now that Venus goes retrograde today. This cosmic clock of our solar system must be teaching some kind of a lesson that only now after 55 years of looking up with my dull wits begins to intrigue.

12/21/2005 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

ROFLMMFAO;

"(555)eat-shit."

love right back atcha sistah!

12/21/2005 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Why would it be that solar eclipses are not worth noting anywhere on the Internet? Would someone "point" me to an Eclipse calendar that has even "just" the next 10 years of eclipses. Crypt0 do you remember a HOLLYWOOD movie about a guy who goes back in time and because he knew when the next eclipse would be in that time, he was able to "be the knight in shining armour"? Is this why no one is talking about future eclipses?

12/21/2005 03:49:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

This sums up the situation suh-Weetly Ion;

"Their conformity is their "comfort" blindly fooled by the tainted intentions of the control mongers and false religionists."

12/21/2005 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Ericswan pointed out;

"Is this why no one is talking about future eclipses?"

Who do you suspect went back in time Eric?

Bush is still mentally 13 years old, I guess you could say he's stuck in time?

12/21/2005 03:53:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Jas said,

Bubba this is so big, it could be the straw that breaks the disclosure and oil scandals back...<<

In the grand scheme of things, the JW's are nothing. I've never known anyone to take them seriously. In the US, the JW's are pretty much a joke. The UN is also pretty much viewed as a joke. A growing number of Americans wish they would leave our soil. We know they are corrupt and we know that nothing is going to be done about it. So outside of JW circles it most likely means nothing.

Inside JW circles, yeah, this document could be huge. Maybe you should build a website that details your story and everything about the document and the way into the light. It could be cathartic for you and a true service to your fellow JW's. If you want to build one, let me know and I'll host it for you.

To brighten your day.... Faux News

12/21/2005 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Is it possible we move through different "constellations" and their influences when we go through the different ages. Tru O2 posted the "cubic" link at the top of the blog which went from the " I AM" to the I AM a jeleous God to I AM that I AM and finally blew itself up with I AM Zoooming. That blog offended me with the Osiris miasma of the snake metamorphosing into the eagle. The point there is that the leopard doesn't change it's spots. The snake to eagle headdress of Osiris wasn't accurate the headdress is a vulture. The study of Egyptology is a study in a period of different influence and it's teachings however interesting, were not the same spiritual high ground that God espoused and He pointed it out right away when he said do not put false gods in front of you. There were giants in the land "Men of old men of renown" were mythic figures ie Zeus Thor Niburu and others who probably had human attributes in that they probably existed in some form or another. The Bible says they were here and that their bloodlines persisted til the Great Flood and then what? Their legacy survives to this day. Do their bloodlines survive to this day?
Scarletm wanted to know if she would be one of the chosen according to Clan Destine's post and he said that it is all in the blood. I posted the link for the lost 13th tribe of Dan Tru O2 posted the link (above) for the lost tribe of Levi.. They both end up in the Anglo-Saxon Queen of England, Scotland, and Wales gene pool.
Jesus tried to teach us that we are all God's children and as soon as we have a chance we go astray as it were and develop the David through Jesus plus Mary Magdelene gene pool and all the kings and queens and their gene pool are now related. I think we are under a different influence different costellations and different mathematics. 555 is not 666.

12/21/2005 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Bubba, thanks bro, mi hear you well and good.

I did that;


United Nations and WTBTS scandal


Could you replicate my blog page on your site?

I'll clean up the head page, with more of a thrust and better intro.

Essentially, it's a small piece of a scandalous pandoras box Bubba, yes they are a joke. But the Oil for Food scandal isn't.

Neither are 6 million as yet ignorant JW's.

Bubba, if we could give one of http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf to each JW that calls at our door.

It will be a start of an even funnier joke.

The JW's are walking from door to door, are witnessing the WTBT$ own demise.

Yes the UN are corrupt, but the UN document, gives you absolute concrete proof of an affair between two supposedly completely seperate bodies.

The UN link, was the WTBT$'s Secret. They did it secretly and withdrew secretly too.

The UN put that document on their website, as they were fed up with getting called all the time by people...

So the evidence is there, just need to hand it to the right party...

12/21/2005 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Would the Star of Crossing have anything to do with the eclipses of 2012? When and where will the eclipses of the sun go total in 2012?

12/21/2005 04:19:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Sunking:
I got it. thanks :)

12/21/2005 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Uni, thnks for da mail bro... some back atcha :)

One Love - Sir Bob Marley (honored in the sirBobCigaweed)...

12/21/2005 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

HiHiHi Jas...
here come the locusts...

http://bendigo.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&story_id=447143&category=General%20News&m=12&y=2005

12/21/2005 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

OK, new story to sink ya disclosing teeth into...

coincidence has it, today CNN Wolfy was sniffing out a UN news story;

Kofi Annan, His Son, and A Mercedes
New York Sun, NY - Nov 21, 2005

"It begins with an interim Volcker report in September, detailing how Kojo Annan bought the Mercedes in 1998 in Geneva. Kojo's childhood friend Michael Wilson, whose company, Cotecna, had just landed a U.N. deal with Kojo's help, paid the initial $3,000 deposit for the car. Kofi Annan pitched in with $15,000 of his own money toward the purchase."

it started like this;

""Dude, Where's My Car?"

That question, first posed in a Hollywood comedy about two stoners unable to locate their jalopy, has begun to dominate the U.N. daily press briefings. In this remake, the title roles are played by the secretary-general of the United Nations, Kofi Annan; his son, Kojo; a supporting cast of U.N. employees and business associates, and a luxury 1998 Mercedes-Benz."

So the coincidence ting strikes...

but made me smile...

http://www.nysun.com/article/23336


Like Kofi, dude, wheres ya car...

12/21/2005 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Whew Ericswan, you isn't kidding sah...

Yesterday, as farmers worked around the clock to complete their grain harvests, The Advertiser visited the region to gain an insight into the state's worst locust invasion in 50 years.

50 years hmmmmm

why does datt five look familiar...? hi hi hi

"it wasn't me" - Shaggy.

12/21/2005 05:28:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

a quick 33 update, before moving onto Karaoke a little later;



HUD grants $1.33 bln to groups helping homeless
Reuters - Dec 20, 2005
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Thousands of local programs that house and serve homeless persons will get $1.33 billion in federal grants under a new program announced on Tuesday by the US Department of Housing and Urban Development. ...
NJ to receive $35.4 million in homelessness prevention grants Newsday
Local programs get $4.1M in federal grants renewed North County Times
Nashville City Paper - Portland Business Journal - Topeka Capital Journal (subscription) - Pacific Daily News - all 22 related »

see 1.33 1335 1333333333......

righto, going out for a drink... as opposed to staying in and drinking... they change the scenery and I get a microphone...

12/21/2005 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

People who gain their titles by non-competitive means WANT very much for everyone to believe "it's all in the bloodlines".

What is "it" that's in the bloodlines ? Divinity.

What is divinity ? The right or privilege to never do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay ...

12/21/2005 07:09:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

SSL4000G said...
ericswan said;
Oh, sorry eric. I have been side-tracked and have not completed reading. I will work in some time to finish and post my thoughts here and email you. Things are really hummin for me at this time.

W

12/19/2005 07:57:32 AM


looking forward to it W...

12/21/2005 08:48:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Hello everyone!

Work is keeping me busy :( and I'm still behind on the blog and my reading, but I did want to take a moment and post my Christmas wishes for you all.

You're a terrific group of people and I wish all of you safe and happy holidays.

Merry Christmas!

Spider

12/21/2005 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

I find that social postures and elitism along bloodlines as justifiers is limiting in the most entrenched ways of the Self- aggrandizing.
Any one, any human being in general, is fully capable of Satsang or true present relationship with God consciousness.
It is a disposition and demonstration of heart centering conscious clarity, not signitured and validated somehow by the bloodline pre-occupation in media.
Grace is grace, the real stuff, it is inflowing in our reception and response, duplicating and amplifying, regardless and prior to any such blueness of blood.
The capability is already there in all of us, always was.
No binding limitations. Just the task of refining our personal spriritual hygiene.

12/21/2005 08:53:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

iontru02...Now that's a beautiful picture!

12/21/2005 08:57:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Eric,
Yes, the 'dissapation' of Mars HAS been rather sudden...especially after it being a constant sight the past months.

re: Solar eclipses

NASA Eclipse Home Page

12/21/2005 09:00:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

spider and all,
Y'all have a VERY Merry Christmas!
The gift of your friendship is the best gift of all! :)

12/21/2005 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

I bet y'all loved it when The Elven Princess what's-her-name caused the raging river to morph into beautiful white horsies, and save Frodo. (I did)

Bloodlines...After reading Laurence Gardner's 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' and then reading his credentials, it occurred to me that the various 'royal' houses of europe and elsewhere may either keep well their pet genealogists or hire mercenary genealogists to acquire the best possible lineage. (Vision here of dueling genealogists, spraying ink at each other, on behalf of their respective patrons.)
Gardner produced his version of sacred genealogy, identifying (I think, from memory) a Prince Michael Stuart somebody of Scotland as the ONE having the highest concentration of Christ's genes living today.
Note to crypto and iontru0: yes, he just might have uncalloused hands and a fondness for mirrors.
uni
ps: Gardner changed part of his bio from 'Royal genealogist' to 'constitutional historian'
and he has a movie in the works.......his site:
http://www.graal.co.uk/

12/21/2005 09:55:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

Microphone?
Someone once said the very best thing about Karaoke bars is that they keep those people indoors and off the streets
just kidding, honest, really, no seriously, I mean it, I love Karaoke.
uni

12/21/2005 10:13:00 PM  
Blogger Gort said...

12 Maji ???
Maji Twelve
MJ-12
Majestic 12

Hmmmmm!?!?

Gort

12/21/2005 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

elven princess: Arwen

12/21/2005 10:16:00 PM  
Blogger Gort said...

Zeharia Sitchin scheduled to be a guest on Coast to Coast AM on Thursday night.
Also, check out the picture of "cloud circles" on
www.coasttocoastam.com

like smoke rings.

K O O O O O L

Gort

12/21/2005 11:10:00 PM  

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