by DarkWood

We devote a great deal of time and effort here to discussion of the lack of disclosure by our government in many matters that negatively impact our minds, our health and our lives. We talk about 'black ops' and 'psy ops' and 'chemtrail ops', and I get a little mad sometimes.

Okay, now I'm PISSED!

I was listening to Coast To Coast A.M. on Thursday night / Friday morning and one of the guests early on the show was Alex Jones. Now, Mr. Jones has made it his job to investigate and report on various conspiracies and conspiracy theories that get thrown around about the government. Now, love him or not (and, quite frankly, I have to assess every story he discusses on a case-by-case basis), one thing to be said about Mr. Jones is that he thoroughly investigates his stories and does seem to try to be as honest about what he's reporting as possible. Yes, some of his stuff is fairly sensational and tends to stretch believability pretty thin, but I do not doubt that Mr. Jones believes what he says wholeheartedly.

Anyway, during his spot on Coast to Coast, Mr. Jones began discussing allegations that the EPA intended to pass rulings that would actually allow for pesticide testing on mentally deficient children! Now, obviously I was rather skeptical on hearing this since, being a reasonable human being, I can barely conceive that this level of sheer madness would actually be condoned by federal agency. So I decided to do a little poking around of my own.

Sure enough, I was able to find a formal proposal on the EPA's website titled Protections for Subjects in Human Research. Innocuous enough, right? An initial overview also doesn't show anything out of the way:

With respect to human research conducted by EPA (``first-party
research''), or by others with EPA's support (``second-party
research''), this proposed rule would: (1) Categorically prohibit any
intentional dosing studies involving pregnant women or children as
subjects; and (2) adopt the Department of Health and Human Services
(HHS) regulations that provide additional protections to pregnant women
and children as subjects of other than intentional dosing studies.

This extremely lengthy document continues along pretty much the same lines. Lots of discussion about absolute prohibition of any testing involving pregnant women or children as subjects. Line after line of proposals, talking points and extremely tiresome legalese. I was beginning to think that Mr. Jones had finally gone completely off the deep end. Until I neared the end of the document:

In determining whether children are capable of assenting, the
IRB shall take into account the ages, maturity, and psychological state
of the children involved...If the IRB determines that the capability
of some or all of the children is so limited that they cannot
reasonably be consulted...the assent of the children is not
a necessary condition for proceeding with the research.
(emphasis added)

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT?!?!?! Let me get this straight, if a child is determined to be so limited in capability that they cannot clearly consent or refuse, they can then be tested on ANYWAY?

Where parental permission is to be
obtained, the IRB may find that the permission of one parent is
sufficient for research to be conducted...

Oh, so it only takes one unethical parent out of a pair to get proper go-ahead for this crap to boot? Nice. Now the proposal goes on to include pretty language stating that ANY actual testing on children will not be allowed or tolerated. I must ask, however, if the feds are not going to allow for any testing on any children, why the HELL do they need sneaky exceptions and provisions such as the ones listed above? And why place these kind of provisions towards the very end of a document if this is all really as above board as is presented? Something is absolutely NOT RIGHT here at all.

Folks, I encourage you all to double check this for yourselves 'cause I understand just how insanely ridiculous this all sounds. Links to both Mr. Jones' article and the EPA proposal are contained in text above. If you would rather pull up the document in question for yourself rather than trust my link, then go to the EPA's Federal Register of Environmental Documents at the following URL: http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr, and do a search for the official document ID which is fr12se05-11. Then please contact your representatives and request, nay demand, that these sneaky provisions be removed and voice your concerns that ANY pesticide testing on ANY children WILL NOT be tolerated in any way, shape or form. I would even go so far as to suggest that any representative not willing to follow this up and take these concerns seriously needs to be voted the hell out of a job at the earliest available election cycle. Period.

This article originally posted on November 18, 2005 over at my blog -DarkWood


Blogger SunKing said...

Thanks to Darkwood for guest blogging today!

While at first you may not think DWs blog is "OT", read it and think about it...disclosure is lacking in many areas, areas that directly affect us daily.

Auburn NEVER cheats!
'Bama's cheating just backfired on 'em.

11/21/2005 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

HOLY COW! THAT'S ONE HECKUVA POST. Just reading it made me feel sick.

11/21/2005 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...


I am glad that you blogged on this. I too heard it on C2C and did some looking into it. I had planned on doing some writing on this as well but everytime I sat down to do so, I was too angry to write. I have an adopted daughter that is mentally retarded due to her biological mom's heavy drug use. Under this new proposal, she could have been subject to these type of tests had she not been adopted.

That's really the kicker here. She didn't choose her fate. After being given the short stick because mom loved the dope more than she loved her unborn child, here comes a government that is willing to inflict further pain and abuse on a child who has already seen enough. This ruling would also extend to foster children as well. We have had 30 children in our home over a 5 year period and they all would have been fodder for this rule. Abused, neglected and molested now to be dosed with pesticides and other chemicals.

It makes my blood boil. Are these the actions of a good President?

11/21/2005 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

I am passing this link on to people in the industry that provides services to children. This one really hits home and I think I know the people that can put a roar in the tiger.


11/21/2005 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Adrenaline117, your cousin sounds like a very brave person, and next time you see him, would you tell him that John says "thank you for your service"? He's right, eventually we will bring the troops home. But if we do it too soon, before Iraq's ready, it could result in a civil war. I don't WANT to keep the troops over there, I want them to come home, but ONLY AFTER THE JOB IS DONE. I don't know when that will be, but I do know that it WILL be...

To all who posted "hate-John" comments...

Bush has been a great president. He's created a bunch of new jobs, he's boosted the economy (despite what the media says), and thanks to Bush, Iraq is well on its way to becoming a free and stable democracy. He's given tax cuts, cracked down on gay marriage and abortion. There hasn't been a terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. He's putting honest justices on the Supreme Court, like John Roberts. I admit, he could do more to protect our borders (like supporting the Minutemen instead of calling them "vigilantes", or giving the Border Patrol the stuff they need. Or even better, take a page from "Hammerheads", by Dale Brown [http://www.megafortress.com/03.htm] and start using armed V-22s to watch our borders), but other than that, I think he's done a great job...


11/21/2005 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

This article about pesticide testing on children was linked by Rense awhile back.


Do any of you really think that the group of people in our government which is willing to legitimatize torture would not be capable of stooping to this, also ?
Step back and view the big picture.
We know that this administration is populated with a lot of creeps, many of whom have tendencies toward pornography and pedophelia (e.g. "Scooter"). We know that they are also on a campaign of "war without end" and attempting to push policies and ideas that have no regard for the well-being of the nation or it's people, including no less than the de-constructing of this nation through multiculturalism and illegal immigration. They push economic policies that are reducing us to third world serfdom.
Spiritual, moral eocnomic and poltical chaos, even down to the level of openly victimizing orphans and disabled children who have no one to speak for them other than the "state".
When you put all of this together, do you think there might be some similarity to the plan layed out in that much maligned document, "The Protocols of Zion "?
What does it take to recognize evil...physical signs like horns and multiple deep voices ? Bush and Cheney levitating and showing us the Pentacles burned in their hands?
Our Declaration of Independence tells us what our responsibilities are when dealing with a goverment that has degenerated into something like this.

11/21/2005 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

DarkWood, hello

Profound Post! I appreciate your effort and it speaks to my rant comment at the bottom I was just about to send. Thank you for your update.

you said...
About that new link over at TEM Main site, has anyone tried playing around with any of those pics at all? I don't have any kind of pro grade pic manipulation software, but I did a little playing around with the pic displayed on the right on that link img (actually, I copied the larger pic from the site linked) using Irfan View and I couldn't help but notice, on the left hand side middle, there's an AWFULLY rectilinear 'rock' displayed. Frankly, kinda looks more like a building than a rock. Maybe I'm just trying too hard, but I can't say as I've ever seen straight edges and corners occur from any kind of 'natural' process. Anybody with any decent software for this played around with any of these pics yet?
11/21/2005 12:33:37 AM

iontruo2---> Richard surely chose them well. I had a close look at the largest shot and I am sure that just right of dead center where the smooth area is there is a pillar or tower like object sticking out of the asteroid. It is circular and columm like. I just magnified without other software and it is quite clear.
DARKWOOD, I will go and have a good look at the one you mentioned.
Maybe Jasgrave333 has some advanced imaging options? He did some image work previous on his blog about the sun.

Unipax hello friend
your link: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

With that and much other quality analysis out there, 911 is looking obviously foul. One is brought to wonder why the country is not literaly up in arms over this?!
Is everyone still believing the original story? The holes in this story are huge and yet they are permitted to carry on, business as usual.

How about the dancing Isrealis with the almost cliche' white van, that were arrested? HUH?

In Canada, the current party in Government, the Liberal Party, got caught "stealing" massive amounts of money(100's of millions$) that they were channeling to Quebec, our problematic child here, and we are now all dithering over whether it would be a good idea to force an election through Christmas or wait until Jan/Feb so the Liberals can push through a few more of their bills and perhaps pad their pockets some more! IS that twisted or what?! They should be immediately disbarred and disolved. Blam!!, done, out dam spot!! end of the line.

In our story here, our current Prime Minister Paul Martin claims to have known nothing about what the former PM (Jean Chretien) and his cohorts had done. Paul Martin was in his Cabinet! He was the National Finance Minister!! He previously was a top head guy in Quebec as well, for the Liberals!! And strangely just before Jean Chretien was to retire, Paul Martin had up and quit from Jean Chretien's Cabinet, and just before the inquiry. Fishy stuff indeed. Didn't know nothing?!?

If these stories weren't reality, I think it would all be utterly insane.
What the heck is going on with these Governing bodies?!
If by some strange chance these corrupted events are not the doing of the obvious governing body, then it is still a sorry comment on the state of our affairs and a true lack of law and order is occurring on a grand scale.
I am surprised the mite of the people has not risen up and brought this foul stuff to the open, requiring real accountability.

The last time in Canada we had a perceived corrupted Prime Minister and Party which was Brian Mulroney and the Conservatives, the Public in an election booted just about the whole party right out of Parliament and right off the national stage altogether, except for two members out of 158 seats or so. An example of the power the people really have, when they stop being sheeple and have eyes wide open.

Its time America takes back its Governement and country.
You are so obviously being played and your best hearts are dying over there in the middle eastern sandbox for what? Really?! Great soldiers fighting the ultimate cowards who hide behind bombs and have no courage to face and confront. A sick mission for men trained to much higher levels of duty than this wierd bunch of crap.
Osama- what a load as well. The story is almost stupidly hilarious now. He is just a false figure character. Anybody ever actually see him in person? He's contrived, made up, a villain to focus on that is meaningless. A few pictures here and there and we all believe it.

New York WTC and New Orleans are starting to look strangely alike. Grand scale demolition and land re-use with lives lost and theatrical drama.
Are these all agendas at other levels that supercede common government? Other parties having their own covert struggle between each other.
Where are the checks and balances? This society can not continue to be made to look this dumb.
Those stories all stink bad and there will soon be a lot of very angry soldiers returning here who have seen horrors and suffered outragiously. Returning to a country where investors and cattlemen, oil barons and energy mongers, lumber goofs and pharma-thieves are betraying their own people to their selfish ends. I hope they, our warriors, have the strength of true courage to confront this horrible taint that is infecting the people's country.

Time to restore honesty and integrity and cooperation to the functions of a society.
No more bullshitting everyone in the powermonger's game.
What will it take? A revolt? A true enviromental catastrophy, grander than all others to date? That'll shock them into submission or wipe a good bit of them off the planet.

Perhaps if Sword's disclosure is true, then the secrecy would have made sense.
Thus, allowing natural events to resolve many of the problems with regards to these oppressive forces here that are serving only themselves at our(collective) expense and unhappiness. i.e. earthquakes, tsunamis, meteors etc.

Is that what it will take to bring them to heel, and yield their devilish plots.

Perhaps we are seeing the real War of the Worlds, playing out here in subtler presentation!!

11/21/2005 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Wow, big posting, excuse me everyone!!
Rants can flow fast!

11/21/2005 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

I mean no malice here, but just think about this. You said Bush cracked down on gay marriage. My younger brother is gay, and the way society is, has made his trying to have a normal life very difficult.
My brother is a person, that according to the way our country is set up is free to do his thing in the pursuit of happiness. Our country is beset with bigotry that transcends the color of ones skin. This bigotry represents itself in who cetain areas of society deem undesireable. Would you still love your brother even if he admitted he was gay? Or would you ostracize him?
Just because something doesn't hit home doesn't mean it's ok to do. Racism and bigotry are not right, and nothing can ever make them right. No one on this earth, I mean no one, has the authority to judge anyone based on race, creed or sexual orientation. That includes the gov't, the churches and any other body that thinks they are THE AUTHORITY to make those kinds of judgements. We are always taught to love our brothers and our fellow man. That includes EVERYONE. You can't just pick and chose. You touched a nerve with me there john, and I do not take having to voice my thoughts on this lightly as it is personal. But I do love my brother, and if he is gay, then he's gay. He is still my brother. He is still a person, not a non person and is entitled to anything anyone else is and never considered a lesser human because of someone's warped viewpoint of what people should be.
I am sorry for flaming you, but I couldn't let it go by. I forgive you for making such a statement, as you may not have considered what other people may think about that, and that is through ignorance. You don't have to disappear from here, I just wanted you to know what I feel and what I think about what you said. And I think you should take a good look at the motivation behind what you said, and why you think that way. Peace.


11/21/2005 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

crewe..time is not on our side



11/21/2005 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger djbarney said...

Darkwood and others :-)

There are a few icebergs a floating (tips of).

Nevermind the latest body count from Iraq
(OK...well I DO mind :-/ )

There are hidden UNTOLD STORIES here.

Wars where although bullets don't fly
people get hurt just as bad :-(

Courtesy of your Anomalies.net network:

Guinea Pig Kids

Trying to find out about drug I had an medical accident with.
(My experiences with big-pharma, affectionately
known as 'big-freda' to her friends)



11/21/2005 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

...Wooooosahhhh SunKing, Woooo F*c........sahhhhhhhhhhhh....

breathing, hic.... hisss, k, breathing....

hi hi hi


[light saber melted in last blog..., it's too hot to pick up and fix right now...]

11/21/2005 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

Hey cheer up Scarletm, it's Monday, less than 33 days to go till Dec 10th, actually it's been less than 33 days to go for a while now, but BUT, it's closer...

I'm actually more than curious now...

All this fascination with comets and Meteors and such this year had me curious.

Someone said that Really bright star I saw here last night, was Venus, but it was BIG and VERY Bright, well I guess it could be...

Did anyone see that today GM has a plan to lay off 30,000 employees from 9 of it's plants over 3 years, from this year till 2008...


A Masonic Sacking...

11/21/2005 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

John said...
To all who posted "hate-John" comments...
Don't go there John. I think you know better. Sorry if I offended you with sarcasm. It is NOT 'hate-John'.
Your two feet are in two separate worlds. Here in BlogWorld you enter the world of conspiracy 'theories' and you join the search for truth and disclosure. However when you are shown serious theory that really challenges your PoliticWorld mindset, you shut down. You stopped reading.
You have gone further into denial by fraudulently attempting to reduce the issue to "hate-John". (BTW That is called 'oversimplification'. It is a subtle tactic of skewing the subject.)
So here is where you now stand;
John said... "I looked at the article, but not for long, because it's simply not true".
Until you re-open your mind's eye, you will be falling behind in the quest for truth, and disclosure.


You're not alone. The majority of Americans cannot handle the thought that 911 was a scam, and that our administration covered it up. It was perhaps the biggest psy-op of all time.
The 911 story is a major key to disclosure of corruption and conspiracy.

Just read it. Hear what Fire Engineers say about jet fuel and steel. Watch the collapse of building 7.
In one day, three steel buildings broke the laws of physics, according to...who?

You can do it John. This is why you are here.
You may have no idea of how important your role here is as a role model for all those others.
Please read more. You can do it.


BTW, stick around

11/21/2005 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Ssl4000g, I'm sorry to hear about your brother...

I emailed Bill O'Riley a link to this blog's homepage so he could read the article about the kids. If anyone can get the word out about this, it's him...


11/21/2005 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

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11/21/2005 02:04:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

I'm sorry you didn't get it. :(

11/21/2005 02:04:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Giving tax-cuts to people who do not work for a living, which is his entire strategy to "create a bunch of jobs" and "boost the economy". What does GW Bush know about economics ? He has never earned or held a real job. I really don't think Dubya knows what Economics means. Tax cuts for people who will spend the money buying Third World sweat shops does not grow the US economy.

Cracking down on homosexuals is a good thing ? How ? Why ? What the hell planet are you from ? Are you human ? Do you think you have a monopoly on defining "love" ?

You're a 21yr old trying to get attention by taking an impossible bombastic and ugly position - but you can't be serious. When I was 21, nobody I knew was willing (yet) to call themselves a "fag" or "queer" with all the fear, hate and hazing of high school still fresh on their minds. Stick around ... you're in for a big surprise. I won't insult fags by calling you one ... but to believe the artificial reality of Fox-TV and a coke-head President as 21 years old is just plain sad. To quote Pierre Trudeau waaaaay back in 1968, "the Government does not belong in the bedrooms of the nation".

As for abortion ... I'll stick my neck out on that one. People who don't believe in abortions should not have abortions ... everyone else should shut up, sit down and mind their own business. I would suggest you spend more time gathering up evidence !

Publishing that you're happy the President is 'cracking down' on homosexuals and women's rights will not make you many friends. You're 21 and entitled to make mistakes - but if you want any respect from anyone, go outside and make your mistakes. You're much too young and dumb to be offering intolerant opinions on the Intenet.

Get up from your chair, go look in the mirror and say, "oh my gosh, I'm promoting intolerance because I'm turning into an assh*le". NExt, you should comb your hair, take a shower and go get a date !!! You should e-mail Bill O'Reilly and ask him out on a date ...

11/21/2005 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Someone said that Really bright star I saw here last night, was Venus, but it was BIG and VERY Bright, well I guess it could be...

Hey Jas, I have seen it too. I know venus is bright, but HOLY cow has it been bright lately.

Yeah, I'm really bummed out today. Personal issues-blah blah blah.

I feel for ya buddy. It's hard to balance the two opposing trains of thought. I think you are on the road-but maybe, just maybe, you aren't ready yet. That's OK-however, in fairness to others here it's not ok to just blow things off until you have read it throughly and then made up your mind. You don't have to accept anything, but to consider all points of view makes YOU fair and balanced. Get it?
I might also say that it's not fair to attack John for HIS beliefs either. It takes time, and sometimes a life time to be able to put things into perspective-.
Considering the average age of those blogging is probably about 35 I think its only fair to give him space to figure it out on his own.
John, there is a reason the hippies said "never trust anyone over 30". Once you hit it, you'll get it.
Good luck to you.

As far as the testing on poor (and they all are or they wouldn't be in foster care)handicapped children-I'm just too sickend to comment. As a parent, it just makes me want to throw up. As a human being, it just makes me want to pray.

11/21/2005 02:12:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

BTW: I DO NOT condone the bashing of homosexuals. IMHO they are homosexual the same way i have brown eyes-genes.

11/21/2005 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

I don't think we can wrestle with a 21yr old imagination ... there was only one thing on my mind at 21 :-)

John, have you ever seen the TV show Queer As Folk. If you did ... what did you think of it ?

All sex comes down to two things : position and view.

If you want Bill O'Reilly's opinion about sex - one of his former Producers was talking about that last year. He's a talker, not a typer ...

11/21/2005 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

Sunking, Darkwood,
To add to my last post and connected with today's blog, what do you think happen's to all those hundreds of thousands of missing children that are playing in their yards one minute and are gone the next ? It's not just in this country, but all over the World ! George Noory once interviewed a guy (can't remember his name now) who once worked for INTERPOL and he actually took out (permanently) some of the worst sorts who participate in these international pedophile rings. He's a true hero, as far as I'm concerned.
There is a huge market for this stuff. It would not be going on , otherwise. It is only those with LOTS of money to burn who can afford to pay for their "slaves" and feed their hellish appetites. As I have stated before and shown with posted articles, the rumors have been flying for a long time about certain prominent families in high governmental positions who have these appetites and perpetuate this market. This is part of the darker side of the Globalist agenda.
I have thought that perhaps the most worthy occupation one could be engaged in these days is to hunt down these devils , remove them from the World and free what kids we can that have been victimized by them.

11/21/2005 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

I guess what I find so infuriating about the whole thing is this:
If I were to inject my own kid with draino I'd be put in jail and executed. ( RIGHTFULLY SO!)
If the FDA does it, its research.

Maddening-fucking maddening.

11/21/2005 02:57:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

scarletm said;
I guess what I find so infuriating about the whole thing is this:
If I were to inject my own kid with draino I'd be put in jail and executed. ( RIGHTFULLY SO!)
If the FDA does it, its research.

Maddening-fucking maddening.

11/21/2005 02:57:45 PM

i am working on getting this into the hands of child services professionals. I am going to have the document reviewed for validity, and if it's good to go, well those who know what to do will do what they do. This is my wife's field not mine.


11/21/2005 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger djbarney said...

Jasgrave give me direction, time and
rough angle and I can key it inyo kstars :-)

The 21st Century, sigh...


11/21/2005 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Big Business and the State have sustained a war on the family unit for generations, but the day one kid is harmed will be the first day of the second American Revolution. I heard Alex Jones crying on the radio too, but didn't have time to follow it up - I'm glad someone did have the time ! When it comes to selfish, insulated and in-bred aristocracies - the ones that use the power of the State to test on kids have got to be the worst - somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan and considerably more cruel.

11/21/2005 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger DarkWood said...

Hey all!

I appreciate the responses here and honestly, I encourage you all to do what it takes to get this in the public eye.

TB2012, djbarney and anyone else I've missed, I understand and appreciate that the wholesale harming of children has likely been going on for sometime and it is NOT confined to any one country. However, this represents a unique opportunity for now it is possible to go to an OFFICIAL government website and read OFFICIAL government documentation and unquestionably SEE what 'they' are up to.

For too long, now, people have willingly turned a blind eye to stuff like this because it is 'too terrible' to contemplate. And I agree, it is the worst sort of vileness to think that shit like this can happen but writing it off and failing to pursue the truth because of the horror of it only serves to FACILITATE more of the same.

Bubba, yes it makes me angry as well. For all my platitudes of peace and nonviolence, I can honestly see myself throwing all of that out the window and resorting to levels of brutality and torture that would make the most heinous serial killers seem like charming and nice individuals against those who would knowingly and willingly harm children. It's THAT sick and it pisses me off THAT much. I've been married for over three years now and my wife and myself are in agreement that regardless of how badly we want to have children of our own, we have thus far failed to spawn primarily because of shit like this. It would KILL me to have a kid of my own be exposed to something like this and it creates an internal conflict for which I have yet to come to any reasonable solution.

After writing the article and posting it on my own blog last week, I have since submitted it for consideration to my local media outlets and sadly, the lack of any response whatsoever has been deafening. I haven't even gotten so much as an email response requesting I shut the hell up much less confirmation that any reporter is following up on it. This has served to move me past anger and into deep sadness at how easily truly important stuff can be ignored. Instead, I get treated to 'news' stories about all the impending holiday sales kicking off this weekend and I begin to feel ashamed of my own species and wonder if mass extinction is any less than we deserve.

I really want to believe that we're improving. I really want to believe that we're evolving and aspiring to greater and greater heights. But we have GOT to honor, love and preserve our children else we may as well get on with slitting our own throats and have done for that is what we are doing metaphorically anyway if we do not pursue this and have it stopped.

Sorry for the lunatic ravings, but I really feel that strongly about it and I can only hope that all of you do, as well.


11/21/2005 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger DarkWood said...

And Wayne,

If you or your wife can get child services screaming about this, you will be my personal HERO and I am not exaggerating. :-)


11/21/2005 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

With re: 9/11 and some of the writings of Nostradamus, many of you might enjoy reading these 'classics' from friend Goro. John, you might learn some things from this, youth! Much relevant info for today and beyond, to 2012.

Mystery, Babylon the Great

The Labour of the Sun

The Message of Cycle 23

11/21/2005 04:45:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

So, I take it the 'Guest Blog' idea is well received in DryDock?

Darkwood, your 'Call to Action' has seemingly had a stirring effect...congratulations, friend.

11/21/2005 04:47:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

John: You are proof of parallel universes. I don't need the media to know the economy is bad. All I have to do is see how my income is not keeping up with the cost of living, or hear my friends frustrations of a year and a half of unemployment in spite of daily pounding the streets and the internet looking for a new job. As far as not suffering any more terrorist attacks in America, has it not occurred to you that all the weather manipulation are indeed terrorist attacks on this soil?

Or that terrorists don't have to come from overseas? Like it or not, John, there is growing proof that 911 is an inside job and your revered leader Bush is very much in the thick of it since he did his best to block every investigation of what really happened that horrible day.

As for your intolerance of the personal lives of total strangers, you make me very sad. Very sad indeed. It's hard for me to reconcile your interest in disclosure and yet your views about the world fall very much in line with those folks who want anything but disclosure.

11/21/2005 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

I am going to print that out and have myself and my wife take a read.
What is the status of this? Is it approved and working? Very disturbing, I have an ache in my heart just thinking about it. I almost want the report to be devoid of the the bad news. But I am sure it will be the other way around. :( I've had to put up too many of these today :(


11/21/2005 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger DarkWood said...


As best I can determine, the status is still pending approval and, in fact, the FDA is taking public comment regards this proposal until December 12, 2005, so time is short.

Interestingly, when I posted my article to a local pagan email list I participate in, about the ONLY response I got was suggestion it was all bogus based on an article at snopes.com. In fact, the Snopes article is in reference to an earlier rule that this proposal is intended to 'correct'. The earlier ruling seemed to allow for testing on children and as such, was pretty well shut down and the FDA was ordered to provide an alternate ruling proposal to prevent allowance for testing on children.

The documentation I wrote about is that 'corrective' proposal and yet, despite being peppered with several clauses stating child testing is not to be tolerated, there are a few, VERY difficult to find but they are there, seeming exceptions which specifically seem to suggest that the child testing will be okay so long as the child is 'retarded' to begin with. It almost seems to blatantly infer that mental deficiency is tantamount to being less than human which I find heartbreaking, sickening and foul beyond belief.

When I pointed this out on the email list, I also requested that anyone with qualification in legal documentation point out the error in my interpretation. This has yet to happen. If I'm just reading this wrong, then I will gladly admit my error and let it drop. If I am correct, however, then my position stands that this needs to be fought wholeheartedly.


11/21/2005 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

I will read it. We have a drive coming up for the holiday, so that may be a good time. So I most likely won't have an answer on this till Saturday or Sunday this week.


11/21/2005 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger DarkWood said...


I also just want to say thanks for the accompanying graphic. This blog newb is still too wet behind the ears and wasn't quite ready to take that big step of integrating graphics into my posts (hence my blog looking more like an online newspaper than a blog, hehe) and I do appreciate your coming up with something appropriate, yet tasteful. Kudos to you, also, and thankee-sai!


11/21/2005 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger DCAG said...

I just gotta ask;
John: are you sure you're not Dubya (on his meds)sneaking in here just to see what us folks think of you? Seriously, Please read ... open your mind.

11/21/2005 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger Adrenaline117 said...


I appreciate your thanks and wishes to my cousin. I can assure you he will also be sincerely thankful.

John, the battle to defend this current President and administration is a very challenging undertaking (approval rating down to ~34%). I believe in free speech and the freedom to support whoever. You are a Bush supporter. I am fine with that. But, please, for your sake, support your comments with FACTS. Then challenge those "facts." Prepare yourself for the battle that will surly arise when you post claims and keep beating the drums. Realistically, your message will not be received well and, I feel, it will be a stalemate. I respect your courage for trying and announcing what you believe.

John, you're 21, correct? My cousin is 22 (will be 23 in April). And think of the difference in life experiences. Please allow me to fetch my walking-stick ... I vaguely remember being 21 ... in fact, I don't remember much about being 21. After obtaining legal drinking age ... uh ... I forgot what to say. Anyone have an extra liver?

Seriously, John, at 21 you are still forming the ideals and beliefs that will hopefully prepare you for the rest of your life in the real world. Those influences (family values & morals, education, religion), at some point you chose your UNIQUE path and go your own way.

Keep an open mind John and ALWAYS CHALLENGE things.

Regarding homosexuality ... I have several friends that fall into this category. They are happy. They know I am straight and they accept that. I can also accept they are BI, lesbian, homosexual, etc. I just do not see it as a big moral dilemma that politicians and some religious groups want. It is their private life and I respect that. I have a neice, 29, who is bisexual. She first came out in high school. My brother nearly dropped. I also was kind-a shocked. Since we are close in age, we discussed it. We both got a good laugh, hugged, and life goes on. I think no differently of her. I admire her courage to openly and freely admit that. My brother did not disown her. He too was a bit puzzled. But it is life and some things you just acceept. Her lifestyle is not causing any harm to her or others and she is happy and comfortable.

Best wishes, John. I just ask to keep learning, "staying tuned" (to borrow an expression often used here), and be critical of everything ... CHALLENGE EVERYTHING, question it, gather your FACTS and welcome to the party.

Regarding EPA child testing: Nazis ridding the Jewish "scourge, Dr. DEATH (teh Angel of DEATH) of the Nazi party experimenting on innocent Jewish people, Dr. GERM in Iraq ... history always repeats. I should be surprised, but I am not. I am apalled and PISSED it is being attempted here. The more outrageous the crime, the less likely the believers. I do not know what more to say. On this, for once, I am completely speechless and too choked up to scream. But, I/we have to. Let me quickly get over my emotional moment.

Many thanks to DarkWood and BubbaHyde for bringing this forward. Very few would spend the time to go through these ambiguous legal-ese novels. Both get my Honorable Mention of Guardian Angel for the day for your actions could save thousands of innocents.


11/21/2005 06:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword says:

John, you are the future of America - and NOW I am very afriad for the recovery of our people.
God help us all... John loves "The Man"...
John, you proably have read "1984" and thought the social structure was "perfect"...
Kids like you are going to be on one side of the coming social revolution - and mine on the other side.
My kids are going to kick your ass...(and there not even born yet)!


11/21/2005 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IonTruO2 said...

Sword says:
Hey - about that money - tell me about Qubecs geology... ... :-)
Seriously! Tell me - I think im already on to something here...


11/21/2005 06:44:00 PM  
Blogger Na Zdrowie! said...


As most here will attest, I remain in the shadows, choosing to read, think, and digest rather than post. In light of your recent statement, I feel that I must do so at this time. I'm sure, by now the last thing you feel you need is someone older than you telling you what to think. That is not my intention. Having grown up in a very bigoted and xenophobic household, I carried many groundless beliefs forward with me into my early adulthood for no other reason than the fact that they were what I was exposed to as a child. My father consistantly used racial slurs and derogatory terms based on sexual and religious preference. These terms, naturally, came easy to me while growing up (even though I, myself, was "the dumb Polak" on the street).

As I got older, I began to question my beliefs, especially when my circle widened to include the very people I'd been taught to rail against. People, I discovered, who were generally more accepting of me than I was of them.

John, the world is full of hatred and bigotry. People everywhere are beaten down because of color, creed, sexual preference and gender simply beause "that's the way it's always been". To discriminate or rally against what's different is taking the easy way out. To look beyond the status quo, to recognize and accept the differences between us all, and to see beyond them to the commonalities which unite us all in sirit is often a difficult thing to do. It requires the strength to cast off the security of pre-packaged idiology, and draw conclusions based on facts gleaned from personal experience.

I understand that you must decide whatever path you walk. But you must understand that walking ANY path without attempting to understand it is stumbling in the dark.

I wish you well, John. I wish you the intellectual courage I should have had when I was 21. . .

11/21/2005 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger Gort said...

"...and when I awoke, I was alone,
this bird had flu.
So I lit a fire, isn't it good, Norwegian Wood."

--Lennon/McCartney (the Beatles)
Norwegian Wood

11/21/2005 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Monkey Wrench said...

quack, quack quack.

Monkey Wrench

11/21/2005 07:00:00 PM  
Anonymous 371 Bohemia said...


The rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated. My absence the past several days was due to work over-load.

Some news:

JPL Still Bleeds:

The official word from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory remains that 300 additional employee and contractor layoffs are expected to be completed by the end of the year despite Congress approving a $16.5 billion NASA budget including $1.55 billion for JPL projects.

There's a possibility that NASA may make a 2 percent across-the-board cut to help offset Katrina costs, O'Toole said. Also the science mission directorate needs to cut $90 million and Congress allocated $280 million for "hometown projects" that must be accounted for.

The Mars Telecommunications Orbiter and the Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter remain canceled. "That's a done deal," O'Toole said. DAWN remains suspended.


Earth as a Turn-Key Envionment?:

Early Earth Likely Had Continents And Was Habitable, Says New Study

A surprising new study by an international team of researchers has concluded Earth's continents most likely were in place soon after the planet was formed, overturning a long-held theory that the early planet was either moon-like or dominated by oceans.

The researchers used hafnium as a "tracer" element, using isotopes to infer the existence of early continental formation on Earth dating to Hadeon Eon, which took place during the first 500 million years of Earth's history, said Mojzsis, an assistant professor of geological sciences at CU-Boulder.

"The evidence indicates that there was substantial continental crust on Earth within its first 100 million years of existence," said Mojzsis. "It looks like the Earth started off with a bang."



The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter will return more data about Mars than all previous missions combined. The spacecraft has already set a record transmission rate for an interplanetary mission, successfully returning data at 6 megabits per second, fast enough to fill a CD-ROM every 16 minutes.

Currently, it has passed the 60% mark in its voyage to the red planet.

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter mission will examine Mars in unprecedented detail from low orbit. Its instrument payload will study water distribution -- including ice, vapor or liquid -- as well as geologic features and minerals. The orbiter will also support future missions to Mars by examining potential landing sites and by providing a high-data-rate relay for communications back to Earth.

For more informastion: http://www.nasa.gov/mro


Great ball of fire out west - The Cobar Age (Australia)
17 November 2005

Meteor or fire-ball?



MSL - Mars Science Laboratory:

At a predicted cost of $1.5B, set for launch in 2009, will be twice the size of the current 400-lb. vehicles.

MSL must be large enough to process samples for possibly life-related organics and travel up to 20 mi. on nuclear power. The larger rover precludes the use of landing airbags. The vehicle's Skycrane precision landing mother ship would instead lower MSL to the surface like a Jeep from a helicopter (AW&ST Apr. 5, 2004, p. 30).


November 14-18, 2005

o Feature of the Week: Pedestal Craters

o Polar Gullies (Released 14 November 2005)

o Iani Chaos (Released 15 November 2005)

o Nili Caldera (Released 16 November 2005)

o Odd Crater (Released 17 November 2005)

o Polar Terrains (Released 18 November 2005)


Spitzer Harvests Dozens of New Stars

A new infrared image of the reflection nebula NGC 1333, located about 1,000 light-years from Earth in the constellation Perseus, reveals dozens of stars like the Sun but much younger.

"These newborns are less than a million years old -- babies by astronomical standards," said Rob Gutermuth of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA).

"The sheer number of separate jets that appear in this region is unprecedented," said Alicia Porras of CfA.

In addition to the nebulosity, detailed analysis of the infrared light from the young stars in NGC 1333 reveals that about 80 are surrounded by discs of dusty material where new planets may be forming. The entire group of objects spans only 4 light-years. In contrast, only one star system (containing three stars) lies within 4 light-years of the Sun.

images to accompany this release are online at: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/press/pr0536image.html


Charged Moondust:

"We've found two things," says Abbas. "First, ultraviolet light charges moondust 10 times more than theory predicts. Second, bigger grains (1 to 2 micrometers across) charge up more than smaller grains (0.5 micrometer), just the opposite of what theory predicts."


371 Bohemia

11/21/2005 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger DarkWood said...

371 Bohemia posts...
-> "It looks like the Earth started off with a bang."<-

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, nyuk, nyuk, indeed. ;-P


11/21/2005 08:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Economy strong? Improving? More Oil Price Gouging?

Ford cutting 4,000 white-collar jobs.

Parts supplier Delphi to layoff 24,000. Reduce hourly wage from $27 to $9; pay managers bonuses worth $90m

GM to downsize 30,000 workers -- that's nine percent of their total workforce.

Oil prices rise as forecasts predict "very cold weather" for winter months.

11/21/2005 08:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at those job increases John - boy you said it!


11/21/2005 08:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here John:
Use this:

Then - what ever you do - don't play with GI Joe's! Play with:


Beacuse you not-knowing is half THEIR battle!


11/21/2005 08:39:00 PM  
Blogger djbarney said...

To Jasgrave333...a side note...

...I was looking for the famous ice waterfalls
of mars and no, Could'nt remember that number.

When I found it it's m1100111.gif...

...what station what channel ?! :->


11/21/2005 09:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got to take a dump, anyone seen my roll of Bush?


11/21/2005 11:08:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

djbarney..got to your blog..appreciate the work their and how long you've been at it..

as far as testing in kids..this has to be a misprint but in a way it probably is what was actually being considered then put into the black ops backwater and then..mistakenly put in print..The point being this stuff has been going on and on and on. Grok mycoplasma and see what the military has been doing to their own....

Mk Ultra?

I worked underground in a uranium mine in 1974-75 for a summer job. When we came to "surface" in the cage we would head for the dry to change and shower. The company and Federal government had decided to experiment with us and would dump copious amounts of aluminum dust right in the change room to see if it would mitigate the efects of what? silicosis..radiation? How about just mitigate the employees. We were required to attend a lab every year for chest x-rays (more experimentation?) and I'm sure that the coating of aluminum oxide would be omnipresent in those documents.

I wonder how George will solve the social security problem now that he claims it is bankrupt?

But (Jas just to complete a cirecle") Bush has info overload. I am sure most of you heard or saw him running out of the APEC conference trying to escape the world press claiming "jet lag" and "I'm trying to escape". The facts of the matter are these:

The Cabal has spent too much time lining their pockets and not enough time or resources on countering "weapons that can consume the planet"..The nuclear threat is a paper tiger. As chemtrails are a testimony, the ozone cannot and will not support a nuclear armagedden. The enemies without are enemies within. The weapons of mass destruction presently aimed, cocked, loaded, primed at the United States, are in the hands of malcontents and the longer they wait to deploy (presently at 80%) the more likely America will wake up and counter.

If, however, President Big Oil, Vice President Halliburton, Secretary of State Monsanto, etc. etc. continue to believe that the bunker at Mt. Weather will save them, then we are faced with weapons so horrific I can't understand them or their consequences. Sword...spend a few bucks and get a copy of America...At the Brink..T.E. Bearden..then you will see the whole picture. We're (North America) not on the top of the pile anymore. SDI won't save us.

11/21/2005 11:12:00 PM  
Anonymous thunderbolt2012 said...

bohemia371 said ...

Charged Moondust:

"We've found two things," says Abbas. "First, ultraviolet light charges moondust 10 times more than theory predicts. Second, bigger grains (1 to 2 micrometers across) charge up more than smaller grains (0.5 micrometer), just the opposite of what theory predicts."


371 Bohemia

bohemia, glad to see your back and that you are your old self again. When we iced the ejjit that follows you , you seemed to disappear for awhile, causing me to think you might be a jeckel and hyde type entity. Apparently "hyde" was somewhat offended by that notion.
To business: if moondust is charged by UV, how does the charge distribute and why don't the surface particles mutually repel each other ? Is there some kind of electric double layer formed between surface and buried layers of particles that holds the whole thing together ? Would this phenomenon form the basis of an electric power supply for future moon missions or is it going to be a nuisance ?

11/21/2005 11:25:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

11/21/2005 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous 371 bohemia said...


Thanks for your questions. Ejjit? Jeckel & Hyde? I assure you there is only one of me (thankfully, in many cases).

With regard to the anonymous slander, I guess some people do not like the topics we discuss.

Your questions:
> if moondust is charged by UV, how
> does the charge distribute and
> why don't the surface particles
> mutually repel each other ?

When ultraviolet radiation hits the Moon's "day side," the half that faces the Sun, it knocks electrons out of atoms in the lunar soil. This creates a positive charge in countless dust specks, which repel one another the way identically charged magnets react in close proximity. Charged dust, scientists theorize, is pushed upward, often rising hundreds of feet in a phenomenon dubbed "fountaining." The particles then discharge, sink to the surface and the cycle repeats. On the Moon's night side, the solar wind has the same effect, but instead of positively charging atoms, it creates negatively charged ones. The dust behaves identically there, however, fountaining until the particles discharge and fall back.

> Is there some kind of electric
> double layer formed between
> surface and buried layers of
> particles that holds the whole
> thing together ? Would this
> phenomenon form the basis of an
> electric power supply for future
> moon missions or is it going to
> be a nuisance ?

The dozen Apollo astronauts who walked on the moon between 1969 and 1972 were all surprised by how "sticky" moondust was. Dust got on everything, fouling tools and spacesuits. Equipment blackened by dust absorbed sunlight and tended to overheat. It was a real problem.

We are looking for ways to "shake off" the lunar dust, which clings to astronaut suits, lunar rovers and other delicate equipment and could pose a potential hazard to long-term Moon explorers.

Such research will offer insight into how future lunar explorers can protect themselves and their equipment from the clinging, invasive grit.

This charged dust acts like dusty plasma.

Regarding the questions in charge distribution and electric double layers, please let me speak with some of the researchers so I can provide a more accurate answer.

I can say lunar dust research is expected to continue into 2007 and beyond. The work is vital to overcoming problems associated with lunar dust -- a critical step in realizing the Vision for Space Exploration, NASA's mission to return human explorers to the Moon and enable human exploration of the Solar System.

Many thanks and best regards,

371 Bohemia

11/22/2005 12:05:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Will the Cabal ever have things this good again ? John is proof that the US voter is either too stupid, or kept too naiive to see what's going on ... and that could result in another President Big Oil, Vice-President Haliburton, Secretary of State Monsanto etc. It's obvious that nepotism and cronyism rules the day with the Bush-Saud Dynasty. So, we can expect bye bye George ... and hello Jeb ! I don't even know Jeb Bush, but based on Bush I and II, can the world afford Bush III ? Do they really need more power to gather more money ? They've already got more money than God !

Making money is different from saving what you've already hoarded, so perhaps what drives the Yale Bonesmen and other crazies is to get the military to police the commoners because the Cabal knows that rule-by-corporations causes polarization and (without a stringman like Mussolini or Hitler) will inevitably deteriortate into assassinations, riots and eventually open conflict.

I graduated in 1985 and alot of "kids" like the incumbent President because, to their minds, he looks like a rock star - yes, even Ronald Reagan. He has an entourage, an army of PR people, he rides around in opulence (has his own helicopter). Ozzy Osbourne is proof that you don't have to be poor to be a loser ... but people still listen to his music. The young will look up to anyone older than themselves and maturity is the day you realize : people older than you can be assh*les too. I've bounced between building houses, law school, working for a Law Prof, then climbing telephone poles : I've seen both sides and I think you have to be in the work-force to truly grasp the bigger assh*le theory. The map really is NOT the territory and (not to offend PhD's out there) but IMHO, a plumber in his 20's is ALOT more mature abut the ways of the world than a 40yr old with a PhD.

11/22/2005 12:06:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Sheesh! I'm gone for more than a few hours, and everyone's taking potshots at me...

First off, unipax, I'll take a look at the link and read the article, but no promises on it changing my viewpoint. And I guess I did go a little overboard with the "hate-John" thing...

Crypt0,you said...

Cracking down on homosexuals is a good thing ? How ? Why ? What the hell planet are you from ? Are you human ? Do you think you have a monopoly on defining "love" ?

I'M not defining it, it's in the Bible somewhere...

You also said...

John, have you ever seen the TV show Queer As Folk. If you did ... what did you think of it ?

No, and I wouldn't watch it even if I had the channel.

To all who commented on the EPA using kids, I fully agree with you on the sickening feeling. I have ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), and it scares me that if I were born in the 21st century, that I could be a lab rat...

Sunking, you mentioned Nostradamus in connection with 9/11. I can tell you right now that the quatrain was faked. It was a hoax put out shortly after 9/11, and I admit, it got me scared for a bit. But once my mom did a little research, and found it to be a hoax, I felt better...

Starshipconstellation, I'm glad that I could be of help in proving a theory about parallel universes...

Ah, tacodog, I was wondering when I'd get to your comment about me being Dubya in disguise. I'd have to say that you're partly right. I can honestly say that I'm NOT George W. Bush, BUT, my middle initial's "W" (Walter)...

Adrenaline117, tell your cousin I said "Happy Birthday" as well. I'm sorry to hear about your friends...

Sword, you said...

John, you are the future of America - and NOW I am very afriad for the recovery of our people.
God help us all... John loves "The Man"...
John, you proably have read "1984" and thought the social structure was "perfect"...
Kids like you are going to be on one side of the coming social revolution - and mine on the other side.
My kids are going to kick your ass...(and there not even born yet)!

I've read "1984", I thought it was scary how "Big Brother" kept watching, and how, at the end, the guy's reprogrammed to love BB. I didn't think the social structure was perfect. I was glad when the main character (I forget his name) rebelled, and was saddened when he was captured, locked up, and reprogrammed at the end of the book...


11/22/2005 12:06:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Judge lest not ye be judged, John ... if homosexuality was banned in the Bible, would Catholic priests be bending over altar-boys ? I don't think so !

Call no man teacher, call no man father, John ... and it goes without saying that the real rapists - the ones in black robes who like Bush so much, have been lying to you.

It's in the Bible ... but you haven't read the Bible ? You will vote to repress the will of the people and deny a simple ceremony about LOVE to 15% of the population ? Not one shred of hesitation or guilt about it ... what do you think Jesus would say to you (after smacking you up-side the head) ??

I suppose I've insulated myself from people like you by moving to the Left Coast. We kept moving away and people like John kept moving in, so we played leap-frog until we reached the coast. Trouble is, now we're out of land and instead of just moving away from people like John (led by people like George Bush) we're turning to face our intolerant pursuers :-)

11/22/2005 12:20:00 AM  
Blogger Adrenaline117 said...


My cousin's b-day is not until April. I will pass along your B-day wishes. Thank you.

No need to apologize for my friends, they are living their life too.

Good luck, John, I hope you decide to support the pro-Bush view. Just come prepared if presenting in this forum. If you disagree with the links and info offered here, then prove us wrong. Don't like what is said, then debunk it. Hopefully, both sides will learn and be more open. This could be a beneficial learning experience.

FWIW, I promised my cousin to accompany him to a VFW event on Turkey Day. I am not sure what to expect. If anyone is interested, I'll update after.

Best wishes,


11/22/2005 12:21:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Crypt0, like I said, I'M not judging, I'M just telling you what's in the Bible...

Adrenaline117, you're welcome...


11/22/2005 12:26:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

I am married to the first & only girl I ever dated - since age 16. Nobody that knew me ever suspected or accused me of being homosexual. So, I never had to identify myself as a non-homosexual because I was practicing heterosexuality.

Boys grow up calling each other "fags". Ironically, even the ones who grow up to BE fags ran around accusing other boys of being a fag. People get progressively less up-tight about "fags" as they get more exposure to a crazy little thing called love. There are 'bashers' in this cruel world and they blend right in with people like John, George Bush and others who wield legislation instead of a baseball bat. Same goes for the murder/assassinations of abortion doctors - they are politically motivated crimes and the criminals think they are doing people like John, George II, their Minister and God a big favour.

11/22/2005 12:47:00 AM  
Blogger DarkWood said...


Let me begin by stating that I do not, nor shall I ever, take potshots. However, you are beginning to sound to me like someone who subscribes to a near zealous stance regarding religion which is somewhat of a dangerous stance to take as it leads to your parroting religious party views as opposed to truly thinking for yourself. I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm merely trying to help you open your mind a bit. And so, I present MY take on religion as posted over at my blog.


Blog5 - Society

Well, today's assignment is a little more freeform and a little more up my alley than what we have been given so far, I think. Anyway, here's my topic: What practices in the modern world do you think will be considered as obviously immoral in the future and why?

Wow. Frankly, there are several aspects of society that I personally consider immoral but since I'm feeling rather impish tonight, I think I'll focus on an aspect guaranteed to light some minds on fire. My subject for what will, hopefully, be considered obviously immoral in the future: Religion, and I mean ALL of them. If it's got an -ism or an -ity, then it's got issues.

Now, understand that I consider myself to be a fairly deeply spiritual person. I have a pretty neat relationship with my understanding of Deity and I truly do not wish to undermine anyone's faith, but rather I would like for all to consider what your 'faith' truly teaches and whether it really coincides with your understanding of Spirit. I would suggest that religion has very little to do with Spirit and quite a lot to do with control. Control over populations via mind control of rather insidious nature. The main thrust of religion, specifically differences of religion, is to divide humanity thereby making the species as a whole much easier for the various ruling classes to control. Cultural differences, while presenting something of an obstacle to common understanding, can certainly be gotten around whereas blind, zealous belief in any "one, true way" presents an obviously much more difficult hurdle. At least, I certainly don't see radical Islamists and Christian fundamentalists discussing their problems over a potluck dinner anytime soon, get it? For my fellow Americans I simply must ask: How many times have YOU seen and/or heard our 'erstwhile' presidente trotting Jesus out like a show pony in a last, desperate attempt to garner support for his privateering campaign in Iraq and why-oh-why does it not make you as ill as it does myself?

Karl Marx suggested that "religion is the opiate of the masses", and opiates don't just pacify, they are HIGHLY addictive. Some people seem to need their religion like a junkie needs that next fix. And it's not like there aren't plenty of examples trying desperately to rip those blinders off, either. Sex and money scandals among fundie televangelists, Cat'lic priests diddling kids like there's no tomorrow, and let's face it, graphic beheadings on TV certainly don't make ME want to leap out and start studying the handiest Quran I might find.

Before the flamewars begin, let me just reiterate that I have NO doubts that there are hearts and souls of purest intent to be found in every religion. My argument is not against individuals, but the very Institutions of Organized Religion themselves that I hold to be intrinsically flawed and stained at the very core. Seek out God, please. But do so based on your own understanding and leave the doctrines and dogma to rot with their pushers.


And before you begin expecting me to accept your bible as absolute fact over the evidence of history and other religious and spiritual views, I offer you this and challenge you to offer rebuttal in YOUR own words.


11/22/2005 12:51:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...


I got your reply. Working on it.
Will have some good stuff for you by tomorrow.


11/22/2005 01:02:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

You will vote to repress the will of the people and deny a simple ceremony about LOVE to 15% of the population ?

15 % ??? Aren't you inflating that number?
All those macho types see any kind of elan; style; fashion (in a guy = fruit)
All those female jocks = fruit
Poodles? Gay dogs

11/22/2005 01:18:00 AM  
Blogger unipax said...

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11/22/2005 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Outing yourself uni?

11/22/2005 01:32:00 AM  
Blogger Adrenaline117 said...

To Bubba Hyde,

So sorry, I misplaced the URL to your website/blog. Pleae, could you provide it again.

TIA (Thanks in advance),


11/22/2005 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...



I'm also working on 2 additional sites.

11/22/2005 01:44:00 AM  
Blogger unipax said...

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11/22/2005 02:27:00 AM  
Blogger unipax said...

bubba, here is my email;

11/22/2005 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...


Just sent you email

11/22/2005 02:35:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

qoute from JAXA Hot Topics 2005/11/20:
The Hayabusa, which successfully released its target marker covered with 880,000 signatures on the Itokawa from a height of 40 meters, shifted its attitude to "safe-hold mode" for *an unknown reason* when it approached the asteroid.[emphasis added]

The link is: http://www.jaxa.jp/news_topics/index_e.html

I wonder if the spaceship encountered electrically charged dust as it approached the 'stroid and the ship's computer got the dreaded blue screen. :(

No news yet verifying the success or failure of the landing attempt.

Gort staying tuned

11/22/2005 02:47:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

I wonder if the spaceship encountered electrically charged dust as it approached the 'stroid and the ship's computer got the dreaded blue screen. :(

The SAME THING happened to Deep Impact. They screw up over and over and over - then they hide.

11/22/2005 03:03:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

I looked at Goro's blogsite briefly. It looks great, the way it is put together. Someday I'll learn how to put graphics together like that. I didn't watch much of the Salt Lake City or Athens olympics. I did not catch the references to Panspermia in the opening ceremonies, but I do remember seeing the big torch at the Athens opening ceremony. The torch bent down to where the flame carrier could light it. It was long and white and tapered at both ends. It looked like a huge joint.
Like a big doobie for Zeus.

11/22/2005 03:04:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

been how u say this "grokking" reading here checking some links
reflecting, went outside with the moon and city still the planets and stars
looked bright, saw 2 meteors in the span of 5 minutes both nearly directly
overhead. Last night saw venus, it looked huge and extremely bright.

In the context of so many reports of meteors of late interesting.
Back to grokking, dreaming, and relaxing, too tired to check out skywatcher
links (tonight) Perhaps Scorcha faal (who certainly is prone to flaming)
might be on to something. Her article linked earlier here. zzzz...

Suspect others might see some meteors right now if so inclined.
Weariness overtaking...

11/22/2005 03:29:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Outing yourself uni?

I have "groped" myself in an inappropriate manner.

You asked!

11/22/2005 03:39:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

Here is a link to an animation of asteroid Itokawa as viewed from the Hayabusa. The asteroid rotates once every 12 hours, rotates end over end, and its rotation is counter to the earth's rotation.
It was posted on MUSES-C site on October 24.

Animation of Itokawa's rotation

The rotation end over end reminds me of the bone tossed into the air by the primate at the beginning of Kubric's 2001: a Space Odyssey. ;)

11/22/2005 03:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Mrs. Doubtfire said...

Dear dear John,
I've been following your posts and it is time again to intercede.
You don't have to read anything you don't want to read, until you feel ready. Just ignore those others that are pressuring you to read things that make you uncomfortable. And *you others, I know where you live, and you'll be hearing from me soon enough*
John you are a very special young man and your presence here is just as important as any of your fellow crewmembers. You actually provide them oppurtunities to practice tolerance, so you are a great teacher and that is just the way it works sometimes.
I saw where you wrote that they hate-John, so I'm going to share a story with you. In college, my English Professor was also my coach in Debating Society. He taught me to QTIP. That's right, QTIP. He even handed out real cotton Q-tips for reminders. It means; Quit Taking It Personally. The others don't hate you. They care about you. They challenge you to improve your thinking and discernment skills. At this Blog, you are debating sometimes. When you Quit taking things personally, you can rise above the fray and stay on the course of the intellect. Avoid the quicksand of anger and hate when you debate !
I do want you to never stop reading. Sharpen your pencil and your mind ! You have work to do! You are an important member of this team John ! READ! THINK! DISCERN!

Your Friend,
Eugenia Doubtfire

Now, to address the 'others', (you know your own names),

Dame Edna and I have discussed this at great length. We have concluded that you boyos mean no harm to young John, your intentions are most righteous and it is only that your zeal sometimes exceeds your better judgement.
Therefore, we approve of your efforts to support John's best and quickest education in the disclosure arts. As true in depth and breadth as your information is, John and others may not be able to assimilate it as quickly as yourselves, you hardened veterans of psy ops, conspiracy theories and disinfo wars that you are. So you must recognize that John's mind and psyche are a bit fragile at this crucial stage, where he has just taken a few steps on this new path, then suddenly he is bombarded with so much new data that he could choke, or blow a fuse, and the disclosure effort could lose a promising young agent of change amongst the younger generation.
So our heartfelt recommendation is to give him some slack, just a little, so he can find his own comfortable pace. He will then hit his stride and surprise all of us. His presence is a gift. He will teach you how to reach others like him. He has volunteered to serve that purpose for you frontliners of the disclosure campaign. Carry onward and upward, valiant crew !
Oh, by the way, Richard has not joined Dame Edna and I at tea for quite some weeks now. As to why, we too are in the dark, Edna swears she knows nothing, but I think sometimes I see a twinkle in her eye. But of course, I would never ever pry. She asked me to convey all her best and warmest regards, Meant Lovingly, to each of you.

11/22/2005 04:12:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

I signed on to apologize to Darkwood for going off-topic on his VERY incite-ful Guest Blog ... but then caught his very well thought-out 'tome' on organized religion. AWESOME post, Darkwood !

I had, what Coast to Coast AM listeners would know as an out-of-body experience when I was 5. I had fallen through the ice and funky stuff happens when you do that. I sought answers for my memories from Lutheran, Catholic and Baptist ministers before, at age 12, I met a Native Shaman, who told me flatly, "you experienced void". The guy nailed it. With no pretension, no kneeling and no signing over my soul, too ! At least he hit on a word that I didn't know at age 5, but I had learned since - and once I had a word I could hang on the experience, I was not so curious anymore. I felt that I had gone through something all humans have (or will) go through.

I was happy with the wisdom imparted to me and bumped into him two years later and told him, "the experience shook me up before you told me I had experienced void". He said, "know why, don't ya ?" I said, "no, actually, I'm curious why" and he told me, "comfort, companionship ... when you look into the void, the void also looks into you".

I whole-heartedly agree with religion having to do with control, not spirit ... but I wonder if we aren't short-changing the Native Shamans and Spirit Wrestlers by calling them "organized religion". Whether that Shaman was wise about the human imagination, understood shock, hypothermia ... or whether he knew about a spirit world - he had no pretensions. The guy wore a plaid shirt & a jean-jacket and expected nothing in return.

If I ever experience void again, I'm lookin' for that old Indian ... and if I meet God, I'm gonna say, "hey, thanks for the Shaman".

11/22/2005 05:01:00 AM  
Blogger DarkWood said...

Thank you for the kind words, crypto. Actually, a lot of my dour outlook on 'scripted religion', as it were, stems nearly completely from my own childhood experiences. I've gone to great lengths to try and explain my notions and 'beliefs' and oftentimes find myself lacking the words to really describe what I'm thinking. I suppose, to use terms introduced by Carlos Castaneda, that I am nearly constantly afflicted with the 'sorcerer's dilemma' of attempting to describe my understanding of nagual having only the vocabulary of the tonal to speak with. While I still have much difficulty pinning down aspects of my thinking with solid descriptions, I can at least offer certain aspects of my own background that serve to shine light on where I am today and how I got here on the other side of Chapel Perilous.

If I had to give title to this little essay, I would probably call it "Belief as Reality, or How I Came To Believe As I Don't"

Actually, this will be a great exercise
as I'm not sure that I've ever really sat down and tried to put any of
my past experiences together as so much of it really doesn't make a
whole lot of sense to me. Perhaps you and some other members can help
me muck it out. :-)

As I've stated before, I come from a zealously devout Fundamentalist
Christian family but I suspect it's also important to note that we're
basically East TN mountain folk as my family does carry some ideas
that would make other extreme fundies twitch just a bit.

Thinking back, the earliest I can remember being exposed to ideas
'outside the box', as it were, involved my great-grandmother who
passed when I was still fairly young. Best mental image I can provide
for y'all of me great-gramma would be to think of Granny from 'The
Bevery Hillbillies' only Big Mommy, the only name I ever knew her by,
was taller and a bit more heavyset. Now this old lady was very much
loved by the family but kinda held at arm's length in many ways. I
heard whispered conversations between adults referring to her as "that
old witch woman" and such, but nobody dared to cross words or wills
with her that I'm aware of. People outside the family living near her
farm in the woods were basically terrified of her and went out of
their way not to visit. Interestingly, as a wee child this woman was
one of my favorite people to visit and spend time with. I guess my
only regret was that she passed on before I was old enough to really
learn much as my memories are all vague and indistinct. I can recall
going on walks in the woods with her as she would tell me stories of
the "Little People". I'm sure I must have picked up something,
though, as to this day, having had no kind of wilderness survival
training of any sort, I can wander the woods freely with no
apprehension about unfamiliar surroundings and I've never gotten lost.
Okay, I've ended up hiking waaay longer than expected from time to
time, but never lost in that "I very well could die unless somebody
comes and finds me" kind of way.

Moving forward, my parents were very careful to ensure that they had
me in church every time the doors opened (twice on Sunday and Bible
study every Wednesday) and home life growing up was pretty much
neverending religious instruction as well. At one point, my mother
had multiple copies of the entire Jack Chick tract library which I was
highly encouraged to read and disseminate profusely. And yet, despite
all this, something deep down inside kept telling me that something
wasn't quite right. Seed of doubt planted by Big Mommy? Perhaps, but
if so completely unintentional, I'm sure, as, despite the terror she
inspired, she was a professed and devout Christian herself.

Like many kids, I was treated to bedtime stories. Unlike many kids,
mine were Bible stories and nothing but. My favorites were always the
stories of King Solomon. I can remember as a third grade child
fervently praying every night for a week straight to be blessed with
Solomon's wisdom until, for whatever reason, I no longer felt the need
to continue making that request. Important to this story? I really
don't know. Some of my friends seem to think that I'm really super
smart, but I frankly don't get why to be perfectly honest.

Somewhere around third grade I learned a new word. Demonology. I
have no clue where I heard it. Probably from a horror movie. That's
kind of a funny aside, actually. For all his religious mores, my
father used to *really* like a good horror movie so that was something
he and I shared along with my little brother as Mom absolutely did NOT
like to see them. Anyhow, I picked up some books on demonology from
the local public library (and let me tell you, the looks an 8 yr. old
gets asking for books about that, hahaha) which did NOT go over well
at home at all. I got severely yelled at about the dangers of inviting
Satan into my heart and what-not (if you've seen the movie Carrie, I
was getting that from both parents only without the beatings, locked
away in closets or other forms of physical torture; purely
psychological, me folks, and with nothing but my best interests in
mind, hahaha). Suffice to say I sated myself from that point by
steering away from my folk's danger buttons and sticking with the
*safe* areas of slasher flicks and horror fiction (don't ask me, makes
no sense to me to this day).

I first discovered H. P. Lovecraft in high school. Being young and
stupid, when I first heard allegations that his 'Necronomicon' was in
actuality a real book, I fell for it hook, line and sinker. Making
sure my parent's did NOT find out, I acquired a copy of the goofy
paperback version of said 'Necro' and awaited an opportune time to
play around with it. Sure enough, there came a weekend when I had the
house all to myself and decided it was time to give it a whirl. I
flipped through the book and settled on 'The Invocation of the
Watcher' as a decent enough place to start. Now, I did not follow all
the preparation instructions to the letter. I threw together a
makeshift altar and jumped right into the meat of the ritual as I was
desirous to know whether there was anything to this stuff or not. I
got about halfway through the main invocation when I heard some
strange noises coming from the attic. The stairs were in my little
brother's room so I wandered down the hall to investigate and by the
time I arrived it was obvious that what I was hearing sounded for all
the world like people whispering. I called out but received no reply
and so I started up the stairs. I was about halfway up when I
happened to glance down at the book I was still carrying and realized,
to my horror at the time, that the whispering was reciting the as yet
unsaid portions of the incantations. Well, I was pretty well scared
nearly out of my fourteen year old mind at this point, as I'm sure you
can imagine, and did the first thing my still somewhat Christianized
mind could come up with. I ran down to the basement and grabbed a
shovel and a can of kerosene. I went outside, dug a hole, threw the
book in and burned it to nothing as I believed this to be the only
possible thing to stop whatever was happening. After the book was
consumed and the fire was gone, I filled the hole back in burying the
remains and went back into the house to find everything back to normal
as if nothing had happened. Needless to say, this curbed my
experimental nature for some time. :-D

A few years later I was in college and a friend of mine gave me a copy
of 'The Illuminatus! Trilogy' saying he couldn't keep up with who was
doing what and when (if you've read it, you understand) but that he
thought I would really like it. This book literally set my brain on
fire and blew open doors I didn't even know were shut. I delved
deeply into Discordian philosophy to discover ideas which resonated
with me like nothing else ever has bar none. Not long after, I first
started playing White Wolf's game 'Mage: The Ascension' and while I
am well aware that it is *just* a game, certain ideas entertained by
it resonated with me as well. Primarily, the concept that belief *is*

So there you are. I do know that Lovecraft's 'Necronomicon' was
entirely made up, but I also know that enough belief has been poured
into the idea that it isn't that if you approach the book with the
proper mindset and willing suspension of disbelief you WILL get
results. I'm sure I've come close to stirring ill feelings by suggesting
that I think belief is reality but now you all have the gist of why I think this way. It is what my own experience has taught me.
It's also why I seem to get side-steppish on the whole question of
what I really believe 'cause at the heart of it, I believe whatever I
need to in order to accomplish what I'm doing at any given moment, but
I try very hard to not trap myself in any particular box by
subscribing to a specific system of beliefs for any longer than


11/22/2005 05:35:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

So our heartfelt recommendation is to give him some slack, just a little, so he can find his own comfortable pace. He will then hit his stride and surprise all of us.

We won't get the Gate open unless he is prepared. You better know what you're doing.
Seven Baktuns ago an operative was sent through unprepared. It's hard to take in that entire cultures have been driven insane by Tesla technology
(back when it was called Merlish fun and profit!)

11/22/2005 05:45:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Good Morning Sword..Quebec geology..how about Quebec seizmology?


11/22/2005 05:51:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

A few years later I was in college and a friend of mine gave me a copy
of 'The Illuminatus! Trilogy' saying he couldn't keep up with who was
doing what

That's an old book. Are you part of that Sinister Drug Network?
If you are: can you get me some?

That book is Evil because people use drugs: now they have an EXCUSE! They read it in a book.
You already know too much. Those licentious bastards. Wine-Soaked Dionysus's.
With a crew like that they wouldn't care if there was ALIEN TAKEOVER

11/22/2005 05:54:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Quebec has the cheapest beer in Canada; eh.
Fortunately the Canadian Shield is the most stable "craton" on the Earth. But since the Aliens don't tell me anything . . .

11/22/2005 06:00:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Biological_Unit said...
Outing yourself uni?

I have "groped" myself in an inappropriate manner.

You asked!

11/22/2005 03:39:54 AM

zounds like Mein Kamph.

bring your brown shirt to the front of the auditorium..LMAO

11/22/2005 06:05:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

I think the Necro-nomicon is idealized after-the-fact and the -nomicon part is probably scryed from the same text as the place names of North America. Imagine a word=seek puzzle, where the objective for the Dept of the Interior is efficiency ... which is being spun by Lovecraft and others into something other.

The objective of the Dept of the Interior is to form the shape of rivers, coastlines and mountain ranges. The purpose of Lovecraft and others is to black out all of the squares and form shapes that our mind converts into ideograms. Divination. the same thing dismissed out-of-hand by people conditioned to play to the social fictions, keeping things provincial, inward looking and more like a tourist trap. Divination is what is practiced by the Mongols, by Nostradamus, by the architects of the English language (Rosicrucians & Qabbalists) and exported to the world by Explorers, the Admiralty, Chartered Corporations and Imperial Office. I've found it tough to expose such manipulations without offending local sensitivities about names, political position etc - but nobody can refute that secret societies subscribed to a non-local reality. Divination is written off, but took place on the tile floor of the Freemasons.

It enables mutual dreaming = locking a far-flung Empire into a reality tunnel of sorts - with one-way communication top-down. This is what is being used to 'prove divinity' and justify Western Expansion beginning with the premise that God speaks through ciphers, or plays a game that has elements from Battleship, Scrabble, Monopoly and Risk. This paper model is where the hands of Man are being passed off to initiates as messages and works of God. There's a whole philosophy, assembling certain Bible quotes. I don't know if there's a name for the school of thought (rationalizations) or not.

Isaiah : God's revealed Will and God's secret will.
Daniel's vision where the Works of God go in pairs, by opposites.
Revelations 2:7 God will give a name carved onto a white stone.
Matthew 23:24, 'woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, for ye compass land and sea to make one proselyte'
The scheme is to counterfeit divinity by mapping the earth in such a way that will make people worshipful.
This is why Aleister Crowley and the Cult of Cthulhu are toying with us, but dancing to the same tune as the real con - the one playing out on the ground. I lay blame for the train-wreck that is Christianity mystery-cults and CREATED intellectual apartheid at the feet of the elitists who gave the secret societies their Book of Constitutions, where unthinking convention replaced conscious intention.

11/22/2005 06:17:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

I don't post ROFLMAO but I really hope Biological Unit keeps making me laugh !!!
The only truths being told at the Royal Court was the Joker.
Actually, Poodles and fags in the same post reminds me of a movie Crimewave,
the robber says to the old lady, "who's gonna stop me, you and those two FAG dogs ?"
then two dobermans come running after him.

11/22/2005 06:24:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

crypto..are you talking about a moral compass..? My geography lessons remind me of the origin of highways in England.. The peasant beat a path to the church. The paths eventually widened to cart tracks etc.

My family had a farm very close to Swastika, Ontario. In 1985, the government told the citizens there that they had to change their name. They refused. Presently, Swastika no longer exists as it has been absorbed by the larger community 5KM. away, Kirkland Lake.

Do you think the name Swastika needed to be eradicated?

11/22/2005 06:26:00 AM  
Blogger Jman95 said...

Does anybody here have any good suggestions about Meditation,
What kind of visualizations I should use.Music or inviorments.

I know there are some members here who practice it, just asking for some good ideas.

It's not the easiest thing to do, for me anyway.


11/22/2005 06:41:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Swastika was an easy target.

The truth is that names were not chosen for their meaning, names were isograms of letters, scryed from an English Onomasticon, which requires only two things : (1) the nomenclator found on Admiral Beaufort in the High Arctic - a little known story that National Treasure lifted. (2) the plain-text, which will tell you how to arrange the letters on the noun-generator. I would say Swastika residents were thrown to the wolves because it advanced the premise that naming was local. Names were not based on serendipity and they were not local. Chartered Corporations took turns with the rubber stamp and the Geographic Names Board of Canada Secretariat is set up for spin-doctoring. They self-reference books written by their employees and Chairs. The GNBC tracks name origin ONLY and deliberately turn a blind eye to name provenance. You can't imagine their reaction when I suggested they add a column to their database for name provenance. HOSTILE! Origin is the day the locals use the name. Provenance is the date and place the name was invented ... which is most likely across the ocean. In the Arctic, with NOMADS living to 28yrs of age, the GNBC buys books from their former Chair that there was local naming in the ARctic by 'elders'. The bottom line : provenance de-bunks the origin stories officialized at the GNBC database. Origin only promoted local attatchment to the land. Even today, there are strict controls over naming and they are not local.

I'll have to look at Swastika because it's more recent than my test-case, which was the name change from Port Brabant to the local name 'Tuktoyaktuk'. The GNBC is not 'neutral'. They were created in 1898 by Order in Council, but pretend to be THE authority over ALL names in Canada. I have Letters from Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton about choosing the position and name of the Royal City of New Westminster. Provenance. When QEII was cleaning out an attic, she sent the records to the Royal City, NOT to the GNBC. The Canadian Pacific Railway and Hudson Bay Company had the rubber stamp, not the GNBC. The GNBC is left to argue 'local origins' with no clues and the British never left them any information ... they're out to lunch on history and SO vulnerable, I could see them making an example over Swastika. They needed to support the premise and be seen to be doing something sensitive ... but they're enforcing the apartheid - they don't wanna track what would prove insider trading existed between Chartered Corporations - even if Insider Trading wasn't illegal when they did it ...

11/22/2005 06:53:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

the peasant beat a path to the church .... ROFLMAO

11/22/2005 06:57:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

In many cases, the Church was a mega-project.
It would have been a path from the quarry to the building site.
There's nothing natural or local about positioning a church :-)

11/22/2005 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Swastika : Within British North America, there are two levels : territorial and administrative. Territorial unites had 100% conformity to the onomasticon. Administrative units in between were laissez-faire, only disallowed if they affected the paper model in some undesirable way. Names went from being actively named, to passively tweaked and selectively changed. There are 3,000,000 place names in North America to describe features, cities and everything - it's just plain naiive to suggest there was no system by anyone, but here we are - that's exactly what the prevailing view is. Is this by accident ? By planted delusion ? I suspect the Round Table of Cecil Rhodes, created to conceal the chaos of force and seizure. The insider-trading feature fits the British exit-strategy and their plan to shift from direct control to financial control. Town leaders were not forced to take a name, but had obvious reasons to want to be 'on the square'. Swastika is on a bearing line from Jerusalem that passes through southern Germany near Munich, so i think it related to the city, or related to a boundary marker of some kind. The reason I guess that : just over the continental divide from Swastika, in Ottawa, there is Constance Bay, home to many Germans, which is aligned with Constance Lake - the meeting point of all three German countries (Austria-Germany-Swiss)

11/22/2005 07:16:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

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11/22/2005 07:48:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

"Our work is therefore historically authentic ; the rediscovery of the Sumerian Tradition" - Aleister Crowley

Do you know if anyone has looked at the ideograms behind Lovecraft's Fifty Names ?

The scam might be pretending that the ancients had mystery cults like we do ... maybe the ancients were more advanced because they didn't - and there were no incantation chants jamming the aether ...

11/22/2005 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Of concern to Russian researchers has also been that the United States Geological Service’s Quaternary Faults Maps for the Eastern Regions of this country are non-existent

There is nothing unclean in Chermany

11/22/2005 07:58:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Fascism has three characteristics : centralized dictatorship, socio-economic controls and belligerent nationalism. It's the socio-economic controls that people are confused about. The hard-right doesn't like being associated with Nazi Germany and Italy and has been desperately trying to associate fascism with socialism since 1944 with the book : The Road to Serfdom. National Socialism is not socialism. Post WWII Sweden is socialism. High taxes on the rich with benefits for the poor is socialism. Rule by corporations is fascism and that's exactly what Bush-Cheney are all about. The US promoted the idea of syndicates and monopolies to produce the Gilded Age - the super-rich then began a campaign to end "the persecution of capital". {pulls out world's smallest violin for persecuted moneyed elites} I forget who said it, (probably scanned it somewhere looking for something else, toasting Sir Bob) but fascism is just a bullsh!t top-down revolution.

Hate campaigns against marijuana, homosexuals, abortion with shameless promotion of "high culture" and the glorification of pretty people (because that's what the people want) ... it's not coming up from the grassroots - admit it, there's one in EVERY family. Every human being deserves the dignity of marriage because marriage is a promise between human beings - we the people only let the church perform the function because it had a roof and places to sit. Churches that don't recognize all humans as equal, or capable of making and keeping solemn promises to one another - don't deserve tax-free status. They're front organizations, more about control and less about soul and spirit.

"I hope we shall take warning from the example of England and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our Government to trial, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - Thomas Jefferson

The Christian Right is business-led and a front for Wall Street.

11/22/2005 08:40:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Hi guys/gals...

To all who read my post with the "hate John" thing in it...

I was making a joke. It was supposed to be funny. I'm a funny guy. I wasn't taking it personally, and I didn't mean to mislead you. I probably should've added "LOL" at the end of the sentence to designate that it was a joke...

Darkwood, you're right, I shouldn't've said "everyone" was "taking potshots". It was supposed to be another joke. When I came back after more than a few hours of being gone, I was looking through the comments, and it seemed that everyone had something to say to me. I should've said "nearly everyone", or "a lot of people". My bad...

To anyone who knows the answer, what's "grokking"?

Welcome back Mrs. Doubtfire! :) Thanks for the nice things you said about me. To be honest, I don't think I'm as important as you might think. Like I said on the ship, you guys were probably doing great long before I came here...

Also, why do some of you guys/gals think that it's impossible to be pro-Bush, pro-disclosure, and a Christian at the same time? There's a Bible verse that says "With God, all things are possible."

Ssl4000g, it's overcast here. I'm hoping it'll snow on Thanksgiving Day...


11/22/2005 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Compare Jeffersons quote to two interesting quotes by Grover Norquist:

On Pat Robertson's 700 Club, Norquist said the following about Christians in the Bush Administration,
“We is them, and they is us. When I walk through the White House, I recognize as many people as when I would walk through the Heritage Foundation.”

and, as if to jab Thomas Jefferson,
“My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.”

Jefferson wanted to 'crush in its birth' the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations ...
Governments regulate
Norquist wants to drown the public's power to regulate in the bath-tub ...

Methinks the Neo-Cons are Anti-Jefferson.

11/22/2005 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger DarkWood said...

biological_unit said...
->You already know too much.<-

Hahahahahaha. I'm sorry, bio, and I really do not mean to be rude, but, and quite frankly, most of the time I feel as if I don't know much of anything, truly. I have suspicions, ideas and concerns, to be sure, but true and complete GNOSIS consistently escapes me. Perhaps that's just all a part of the game and when it comes down to it our poor fragile minds can only handle so much without shattering completely, but I will continue to await the day when I can KNOW without that nagging feeling that I'm still missing something.

'Ya KNOW? :-P


11/22/2005 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Hey John, your ballot is your business and I won't hassle you anymore. I just hope you can look at a queer couple andbe glad they found each other and hope they're happy. Society isn't always kind to queers, so, remember, it takes alot of courage for public displays of affection.

Do you think Space would stimulate the economy ? Are you the guy who could find our watch-dog group an ear and a voice inside the Administration ? I usually assume that people who want to open up Space are idealists, who, 150 years ago would have been loading up the wagon and headin' west. People seeking utopia.

The US became great and rich by exploring the frontier, not fighting wars. A war in Iraq that empties the treasury is a huge set-back for people wanting answers in this lifetime. My Dad was military and I grew up on bases - we can kick the ass of any country we want. The end must justify the means - Iraq was supposed to pay for itself. If it did, I would really re-think my "neo-cons are stupid" position. It didn't pay for itself, it was a war where commoners died and contractors & privateers got rich. Haliburton stock is up, people are down (ie : dead).

The War was a huge distraction. A bait and switch to fill up the news while the legislative agenda advanced and the Treasury was drained. When the money is in the treasury, it's closer to being spent on Moon & Mars missions - answering age-old questions. When the money is spent and the US is in debt to China .... Outer Space has never looked so far away.

11/22/2005 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...


Wow, now that is some depth of info!

Swastika is on a bearing line from Jerusalem that passes through southern Germany near Munich, so i think it related to the city, or related to a boundary marker of some kind. The reason I guess that : just over the continental divide from Swastika, in Ottawa, there is Constance Bay, home to many Germans, which is aligned with Constance Lake - the meeting point of all three German countries (Austria-Germany-Swiss)


Constance Lake!?!? Hmmmm????
Knowing this area intimately, I am amazed to hear some of that considering there is a German fellow living on a local road right there whose place is pristene spotless with a large red iron fence and red outbuildings, very much like a Stalag. Really.

"which is aligned with Constance Lake - the meeting point of all three German countries (Austria-Germany-Swiss)"

How is that alignment made? Could you tell me more? Is there a correlation to the notable density of German heritage in PEmbroke, as well?

11/22/2005 09:15:00 AM  
Blogger DarkWood said...


Thank you very much for your comments re Lovecraft. At the very least, it assures me I am not alone in my own personal madness, hahaha.

you said...
->Do you know if anyone has looked at the ideograms behind Lovecraft's Fifty Names ?<-

Oh yes. One can certainly find similar depictions on innocuous clay tablets recovered from long ago Ninevah (i.e., Iraq, interestingly enough) can one not? And I find it 'extremely' interesting that the purported Necronomicon's incantations are basically evoking Sumerian deity figures. While I am no rabid fanboy subscribing wholeheartedly to Lovecraft's paranoid fantasies, I can't help but visualize 'ol H. P. writing with a knowing look and smarmy grin as he takes tiny nuggets of truth and shrouds them in deliberate obfuscation. I'm SURE he knew more than he was telling.

John said...
->To anyone who knows the answer, what's "grokking"?<-

In a nutshell, to know beyond words, and frankly, that definition doesn't truly do the term justice. It originates from Robert Heinlein's book, Stranger in a Strange Land, and my best suggestion would be to read it and grok. :-P

As for your faith in Christianity, I, for one, take no issue with that and encourage you to believe what you will. However, I think you should research the history of Church doctrine and dogma for I would suggest there is very little that is Christ-like about it. Be Christian, by all means, for there is much good to be gleaned from those words attributed to the Christ. But methinks you would be well served to consider taking the Paulist trash promoted above Christ by the Church and flush it down the shitter where it belongs.

I'm just sayin'


11/22/2005 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

John, hello

You asked: To anyone who knows the answer, what's "grokking"?

iontruo2---> It is a term from one of the most famous sci-fi novels ever written called "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert A. Heinlein.

Grok and/or Grokking--- It was a term spoken by a Divine Character in the story, named Michael Valentine Smith. It was also described on the cover as his Occupation as well.

It generally means "to understand", "to grasp", "to comprehend", "to get it", "to be with".

11/22/2005 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

"It generally means "to understand", "to grasp", "to comprehend", "to get it", "to be with". "

I liken it to the term Stephen King uses in The Dark Tower series:

"Do you ken?"

11/22/2005 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

speaking of that...King's "magic number" in the series is....19.

11/22/2005 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger DarkWood said...


One thing that never fails to make me giggle is that there tends to be more truth in 'fiction', for those with eyes to see, than can be found in damn near any textbook. Only thing that bugs me is the constant wondering if various authors are "in on it" or if they're just accidentally plugging into a cosmic current and being unwitting contributors to the undermining of the status quo.


11/22/2005 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

What do Y'all think about this?

U.S. seen vulnerable to space 'pulse' attack


11/22/2005 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Darkwood said....
One thing that never fails to make me giggle is that there tends to be more truth in 'fiction', for those with eyes to see, than can be found in damn near any textbook. Only thing that bugs me is the constant wondering if various authors are "in on it" or if they're just accidentally plugging into a cosmic current and being unwitting contributors to the undermining of the status quo.


11/22/2005 09:51:24 AM

And I thought The Stand was prophetic. A little bird flu/Captian Trips anyone?

11/22/2005 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger DarkWood said...


Please forgive if I'm starting to sound like I'm beating a dead horse but I have one last example to offer and then I'll shut up because I DON'T want you to feel as if I'm singling you out but do please consider this:

Various church and religious groups seem to have all sorts of time to rail against, picket and otherwise distract by denouncing the 'evil' of Harry frickin' Potter and yet I have been completely unable to get so much as a peep out of 'em in regards to mah current blog topic.

In my mind, this is pretty much case closed re the true evil that is Religious Institution.


11/22/2005 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

One other King definition I would like to throw out as I feel it fits here is the term Ka-Tet. The term roughly means one made of many and specificly refers to a group brought together by similar intrests or goals.
Ka is destiny-or fate
Tet-is the group.
the mission of the Ka Tet can be anything, but is usually life altering for all involved.
neat hu?

11/22/2005 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bleeding heart liberals attacking Operation Paperclip. I suppose they want their cake and eat it too ? These British need to be a little more grateful that we just didn't sit back and watch their little island become another Dunkirk ! It would have been funny to watch them try to swim the Atlantic !


11/22/2005 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

This is what 'a' was gonna post earlier this AM, if mi bloody internet cable hadn't warped again...

Fixed mi light saber, it's now got a special cut off point, where if it gets too hot from flamin; I have to resort to mi bare hands...

Darph Jas, pasting Rant from earlier;
...Oh Lord, somebody hold me back I'm gonna 'grok' him to 'understanding'...

John, JOHN Are you looking at the text before your internetted eyes?




Whilst there is some moderate hand holding on this blog, it's normally done to stabalise da roach that's on it's last toasting Bush like end...

so John, with the same internet explorer you stomp all over with your size 15's on this blog, open up another tab/window/brain cell, and research, explore and READ for the mother of mercy for the lonely self pitties sak...

John, the idea of all these wonderful expressions on this blog, is to Understand deeply and profoundly the 'speakers' point of view...

Too see the Distilled wisdoms and Truths, that are being freely aired here...

The only airing your seeing is the one behind your eyeballs...

Shine your light of understanding John, and Empethise, understand feel, syncronise with the freeness of understanding and knowledge...

This blog is about FREEDOM and the search, people are laying out deep hurting truths on this blog John, when you understand what it means to Grok, come back...

Crypt0, following your insights carefully and studeously, I'm understanding, dont stop if you've got more...

Darkwood, Yes, after re-reading, and reading again the blog entry, I agree that Organised religion is simply about controll and power.

Religion, is a personal expression of our path to the understanding of GOD is...

Simply put, each from getting taught at the 'localised' version of religion, take the tested fundamental 'religious' truths, and work out the ULTIMATE REAL TRUTH.

If it comes from Love, is beneficial etc...then the TRUTH is probably from THE God...

Each religion has a LITTLE of the TRUTH, but not ALL THE TRUTH...

Other wise, PEACE would REIGN on earth right?

Hence the bible and other texts speaking of a second coming or an Apocolypse...

Jesus taught the road to Life was cramped and narrow and the path leading to destruction was broad and spacious...

Again, each of us to get to this FREEDOM, we've found to openly, freely express on this blog, has been hard, our minds have been expanded and our TRUTH seeking has enlightened our roadway...

Keep on seeking da Truth, it'll set you THREE...

11/22/2005 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger Reverend Jason Graves said...

...it would be 19th one Scarletm...

"speaking of that...King's "magic number" in the series is....19."

11/22/2005 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

...it would be 19th one Scarletm...


11/22/2005 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

John asked what "grokking" meant in the context of several of my posts which takes one step forward and two steps left and right of Heinlein..new definition of "to grok" is my way of describing the "grueling task of finding what you need on the internet using the limitations of "government sponsored search engines in a .mil environment." to grok

All in Favour???

11/22/2005 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Ms. Doubtfire,
So good to hear from you and, as always, your post was so timely and full of good advise.

Read the links I left, do not assume that the fake Nostradamus quatrain is the one being discussed...it's not. If you assume before you read, you lose by default.

'Grok' is a term that first came into the modern lexicon via Robert Heinlein's Stranger In a Strange Land, the first science fiction book I ever read and I was hooked on Heinlein forever. I recommend it. You might learn something about religion. To grok is to understand something...really really well...to the point that you almost become that something. In the book, unless you learned the Martian language, you probably could not truly grok something.

tnx and no problem. And interesting tale. Surely, you'll burn in hell! ;)

interesting stuff and YES! to the correct classification of fascism. I love it when these idiots use the word islamo-fascists...I'm left going "Where's the corporation?".

My favorite definition is this:
fas-cism (fash'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.

11/22/2005 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

John, crypto, et. al.,
Do you think Madison 'grokked'?

"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. There is also an inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and degeneracy of manners and of morals. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." —James Madison 1793

11/22/2005 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Sword, hello
you said:
Hey - about that money - tell me about Qubecs geology... ... :-)
Seriously! Tell me - I think im already on to something here...


11/21/2005 06:44:00 PM

iontruo2--O.k. so you either already know and thus I am thankful for the carrot or we are "grokking" together in a team mode and "piecing" together the bigger picture in support of your earlier disclosures.

Its about Meteor Impacts, in norther Quebec

In light of the knowledge that Quebec holds the signiture of a nice cluster of Large meteor strikes, it becomes now worthwhile to consider that these money movements, our so-called scandal may have soemthing else to do with "hiding in plain site" the funding of the "program" of our "softening of the blow". Just a new hunch, maybe not chasable, or really provable.


Featured craters include: Meteor Crater in Arizona, USA; Chicxulub on the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico; Aorounga in Chad; Roter Kamm in South West Africa / Namibia; Mistastin Lake in Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada; Manicouagan in Quebec; Clearwater Lakes in Quebec; Deep Bay in Saskathchewan; Bosumtwi in Ghana; Grosses Bluff in Northern Territory, Australia; Kara-Kul in Tajikistan; New Quebec in Quebec, Canada; Goat Paddock Crater in Kimberley Plateau, Northwestern Australia; Gweni Fada Structure, Chad; Acraman Structure, South Australia; Vredefort Dome in South Africa; Teague / Shoemaker Structure in Western Australia; Ouarkziz Structure in Algeria; and Ramgarh Crater in Eastern Rajasthan, India.


Great shot of this crater. The New Quebec Crater is over two miles wide and 1200 feet deep.


Charlevoix is 54kms in diameter

The First Episode from...
The Miracle Planet
"The Third Planet"
by Bruce Brown


In 1998, Quebec began a five-year program to map the geology of the region above the 55th parallel. This year, it’s spending $4 million on what Simard called "one of the largest" geological mapping projects in the world.


The Pingualuit Crater is of special importance because its discovery and identification as an impact crater gave rise to the identification of 26 authenticated impact structures on the Canadian Shield (Grieve, 1991).

These craters all produce negative gravity fields due to the low density fragmental rock underlying them and the expanded crustal rocks forming their rims.

The Silverpit Crater

By Irene Brown, Discovery News

Aug. 1 — A quest for oil in the North Sea has turned up an ancient impact crater so well preserved that it could give scientists fresh insight into the effects of large meteorite impacts on Earth. The 12-mile wide crater is buried under 120 feet of water and more than 900 feet of sediment, which has helped preserve features that on Earth's surface would have been eroded away.

The planetary scar is believed to have been caused by a meteor or comet impact 60 million to 65 million years ago, and is unlike anything that has been found on Earth or the moon. In fact, it is so pristine that it resembles craters previously found only on Jupiter's icy moons. The find was announced in this week's edition of the journal Nature, which reports that the crater "may be the best three-dimensionally imaged impact structure on Earth." British geophysicist Phil Allen stumbled upon the so-called Silverpit crater while studying three-dimensional seismic data for a petroleum client. The crater has a cone-shaped peak at its center, which typically is found only in much larger craters, and is surrounded by a series of concentric rings. The ring pattern resembles features found in large craters on Callisto and Europa, two of the icy moons of Jupiter.

Allen didn't realize what he was looking at until a chance visit by a colleague, geologist Simon Stewart, who years earlier had predicted that the new 3D maps being developed for oil and gas exploration would one day uncover an impact basin.

"I'm a general structural geologist and look at all kinds of stuff," said Stewart, adding that he has not spent much time focusing on impact craters.

Most small meteor craters are a simple smooth bowl-shape, such as the Baringer Crater in Arizona, said John Spray, a geologist at the University of New Brunswick. As the diameter of the crater increases, so does its complexity, with central peak structures, peaked rings and multiple rings found in craters 155 miles or more in diameter.

"We know so little about how impact structures are created when meteorites and comets hit, any new example helps," said Spray. The North Sea crater, which the scientists named Silverpit after a nearby sea-floor channel, is shaped like a basin with at least 10 distinctive concentric rings located between about one to six miles from the crater center. The main crater is about 1.5 miles wide, with a central peak that is believed to have formed when Earth rebounded from the impact of the incoming meteor or comet.

"It's puzzling," said Spray. "Normally, you'd expect a crater to be about 200 kilometers (124 miles) in diameter before you have these features. This challenges our accepted thought and dogma." Scientists hope to obtain drill-cutting samples from Silverpit for additional studies, such as mineral deformations from shock effects.

"My guess is that there are many of these craters out there but we haven't been seeing them because they're buried," said Spray. "With new technology, we're starting to see new things."

The meteor that formed the Silverpit crater hit Earth within roughly the same time period as the asteroid or meteor that is tied to the demise of the dinosaurs. That impact gouged a 93-mile wide crater in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula.

Manicouagan Crater-Quebec

Finally, not Quebec but notable: Baringer crater:
a crater three quarters of a mile wide and fully 640 feet deep.
Since Barringer's discovery, more than 100 terrestrial meteorite craters have been identified. They occur in all parts of the world, but are particularly impressive in
northern Canada.

iontruo2---> Sword:
So what are you onto here?
What about the money?
What do you already know?
Please share some more of your knowledge and insight. Thanks

11/22/2005 01:20:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

re religion discussion
Two cents worth;
Religion reminds me of my monthly electric bill.
In both cases, a form of infinite energy is controlled, metered, and limited by leechlike 'middlemen',
Their existence and survival requires suppression of knowledge / technology.

11/22/2005 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

This is your final warning...


11/22/2005 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...


hey, look at that, they are very interested in mapping the geology of the region above the 55th parallel.

Done know, eh mate?!

11/22/2005 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Ok, I think I grok what "grok" means now, and thank you all for helping me to grok...

So many comments to me...where to start...ah, here we go...

Crypt0, yes, I think space would be a big boost to the economy. It would also help us to learn to work and live together, because in space, everyone depends on everyone else. Do you think the ISS would still be up there if the astro/cosmonauts couldn't get along? 20 years ago, the thought of Americans and Russians working/living together on a space station was unthinkable. We've come a long way since then. And besides, surely space is big enough for everyone. I keep saying this, but I think that one of the reasons there's so much chaos in the world (aside from Satan) is that we're bored. Basically the only parts of the Earth left to explore are the depths of the oceans, and it's really hard to get there. There are no more great explorers like Magellan or Chris Columbus. I'll bet that once we start sending people to the rest of the Solar System, things will quiet down here on Earth. Remember when the space shuttle "Discovery" returned to flight? That was the BIG story on every news station. Every time the astronauts did something as simple as going out the airlock, we heard about it. And if it turns out that when we start colonizing space we STILL don't like each other, then there's plenty of room for everyone to go where they want. If the Chinese don't like the Americans on Mars, they can head for Jupiter's moons. Russian Moon mining getting in the way of that nice hotel with the perfect view of Earth, Head for that shining jewl, Saturn, for a space resort (you get the picture)...

Boy, I went on for a while there...Alright, who's next?...

Darkwood, I LOVE the Harry Potter books/movies (I see the movies before I read the books). I'm not Catholic, so I don't really pay attention to what they're up to (except when the Pope died). But, I've heard of them denouncing Harry Potter...

You're right, Jas, I should look it up BEFORE I ask. My bad...

Sunking, you're right. I DID assume what the links were going to say. That was wrong. I will look at them when I'm done with this post...


11/22/2005 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

Great posts gang !

Thanks for meteor info ion.

OK Eugenia. Good point taken re John, thanks.
Sorry John. She's right about each individual's pace. (I'm glad you'll read it btw.)

Where's Jas?
Windsurfin must be good today.
Darkwood, thanks for your great post!


11/22/2005 01:46:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Bowie as Tesla?


11/22/2005 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

Eeek! Do you think Tommy boy will have to TAKE THE JUICE, along with the wise guys ? This is just like 1930's Chicago all over again... only further up the food chain !

November 22, 2005 -- Texas prosecutor Ronnie Earle working closely with Federal prosecutors. Informed sources report that Texas District Attorney Ronnie Earle, who has indicted suspended House Majority Leader Tom DeLay for money laundering and criminal conspiracy, is working closely with his Federal counterparts. After White House Office of Management and Budget procurement administrator David Hossein Safavian was arrested on September 19 this year, he began cooperating with Federal investigators. Information provided by Safavian to the Federal prosecutors that was shared with Earle gave the Travis County prosecutor enough evidence to indict DeLay, which he did on September 28, one week after Safavian's arrest. With the plea agreement of DeLay's former chief of staff Michael Scanlon, a close associate of Casino Jack Abramoff, the walls are closing in on DeLay. Informed sources in Texas report that Safavian "sang like a canary" and gave Federal investigators information on connections between DeLay and Abramoff and three Florida mobsters charged with murdering Florida casino cruise boats owner Gus Boulis -- Anthony Moscatiello, Anthony Ferrari, and James Fiorillo. The bottom line, according to law enforcement insiders, is that DeLay's indictment on money laundering and conspiracy are the least of his worries. "He may be looking at being charged with conspiracy to commit murder," according to a knowledgeable source.

DeLay, Abramoff, Safavian: The GOP Mafia on their way to the Big House

11/22/2005 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Well, unipax, I'm about halfway done with the article. I've seen the video clips, and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll let you know when I finish it...


11/22/2005 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger djbarney said...

For iontruo2 and jasgrave33 and others with a Sinead'O'Conner
"lets breakout god from his cell" mentality :-)



PS Where is 'bob / rhw007 ?

11/22/2005 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

djbarney said...
PS Where is 'bob / rhw007 ?
good to see ya.
I emailed Bob/Robert/rhw007 and asked, twice.
last time was a week ago.
No answer. Earlier, he said he and his wife had health issues.
Wish I knew more

OK great.

11/22/2005 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Folks, we are running out of time......


11/22/2005 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

First off, what I'm about to say is based on what I learned during 12th grade (which I took online last year and into this year). I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I thought I'd put it out there...

I took a media literacy class in 12th grade. I learned all about the different types of media (TV, movies, art, billboards...basically anything with ads on them). One lesson was about radio stations. I was reading an article about music censorship after 9/11. The stations didn't play songs like Sugar Ray's "Fly", or Nine Inch Nails's "Head Like a Hole", because the lyrics might hit close to home. Other songs, while having no offending lyrics, weren't played, because of their titles. I don't remember all of the names, nor do I remember the link to this, but, at the end of the list was "...and all songs by Rage Against the Machine." Now, I have 3 RATM CDs, and most of their songs have nothing to do with flying. However, they DO tend to have a theme about oppressive governments, and trying to overthrow them ("Guerilla Radio", "Freedom", "Wake Up", etc...). Now, I'm going WAAAAAAYYY out on the limb here, but I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the increase in security almost everywhere. I don't want to definitely say that "The Man" knew what was coming after the attacks, and decided to see to it that songs about overthrowing the government weren't played; all I'm doing is putting this on the table for possible discussion. I almost didn't put this out, because the thought of the U.S. government, "...of the people, by the people, and for the people...", doing this makes me feel very uneasy, but I thought that some might want to discuss it...


11/22/2005 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

EEEK, myself!

I forgot to thank Gort to being one ON TOPIC type crewe member (not that anyone is necessarily OFF topic, but, ya know...)!!!


11/22/2005 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

John said: " Now, I'm going WAAAAAAYYY out on the limb here, but I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the increase in security almost everywhere. I don't want to definitely say that "The Man" knew what was coming after the attacks, and decided to see to it that songs about overthrowing the government weren't played"

Read this from my earlier post again, more closely.....

"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. There is also an inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and degeneracy of manners and of morals. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." —James Madison 1793

to wit., YES!

11/22/2005 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

almost didn't put this out, because the thought of the U.S. government, "...of the people, by the people, and for the people...", doing this makes me feel very uneasy, but I thought that some might want to discuss it...


Is that a crack i see John?
Keep going. :)

11/22/2005 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

I don't want to tell you your business buddy, but the school system was ripping you off... "media literacy" classes, for God's sake ? If any teacher had tried to pull a class like that out of their rear ends when I was in school, they would have been crucified and run out of town on a rail ! You can pick up that stuff fer nothin,just by listening to the radio and watching TV, shootin the sh*t with us and whatever! As a senior, you should have been taking classes in things like foreign languages, history, English, science, music, math... something that you can sink your teeth into and will help you with some kind of professional career. The school system was not looking out after your bests interests, John, and you made need to do some proactive things to counter it, if that is typical of the kind of classes you were taking !

11/22/2005 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...


11/22/2005 03:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

So it has come to this: Forgeign leaders like Tony Blair are making it their responsibility to talk our president out of doing stupid things !

11/22/2005 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

scarletm said...
almost didn't put this out, because the thought of the U.S. government, "...of the people, by the people, and for the people...", doing this makes me feel very uneasy, but I thought that some might want to discuss it...


Is that a crack i see John?
Keep going. :)
SunKing said...


Tip of the old iceberg, and the iceberg has many tips.
In one aspect, that's what TEM is all about, following the myriad threads.
There are so many threads to pull on. 911 is for sure one of the biggest threads.
If enough people pull on enough threads, the curtain will unravel and light will shine through.
Right on and read on, John.

of the people, by the people, for the people, is being stolen or has been stolen. That's why disclosure is so important.

11/22/2005 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I apologise for the length of this post from maverick seizmologist Dave at ELFRAD.. this might interest you Jas..

My interpretation of the Unimak island slide involves the
pressures of rising oceans. Every day the tides caused by the
Sun and Moon cause a large swell in the Pacific ocean to move
from off the coast of South America, up to Alaska, and then over
to China. Although ocean levels are experiencing an *average*
rise of 1 to 2 mm per year, the extra water is not evenly
distributed around the globe. Like anything else, water will
tend to congregate at places where gravity and centripetal force
are greatest, which means the equator in general and the tides in

Assuming the area of the daily tide is 1,000,000 square miles
(it's much larger) and over the past twenty years the ocean level
in this tidal area has increased by 3mm per year, then that would
mean there is an extra 155,400,000,000 cubic meters of water
moving over the Pacific plate each day. That translates to
648,500,000 tons of extra weight now moving daily over the
Pacific plate, which was not there just 20 years ago. There was
even much less weight 300 years ago, and due to accelerating
thawing of permafrost and glaciers, there will be much more in
the next 10 years. The figures I used are conservative.

This extra weight is not just pushing down on the crust, it is
also pushing inward toward the shores, thus causing about 1.5
meters of beach erosion per 1mm of increased ocean level. To get
a practical idea of how these dynamics affect the Earth, we could
walk in circles around a room with a large sheet pan in our hands
while someone is slowly pouring water into it.

The increasing seismic and volcanic activity all around the
Pacific rim is due at least partially to this extra water being
released into the oceans. I suspect that increased neutrino
activity from large solar flares and interstellar gamma ray
bursts cause an increase in radioactivity within the Earth, thus
generating more heat and softening the magma also is contributing
to increased seismic and volcanic activity. There is also the
electrostatic pressures of the CMEs (proton storms) striking the
Earth's outer positive charge, which ultimately translates to a
pressure on the electrostatically charged saltwater oceans, also
contributing to earthquakes.

Today we are witnessing major global thawing, stronger than usual
solar storms, and very strong interstellar gamma ray bursts. All
of these features are putting great strain on the Pacific ocean.
This is obviously nothing new, as the shear walls of the Mariana,
Izu, Japan, Kuril, and Aleutian trenches reveal. The trenching
occurs all down the West Coast of the Americas, as well. These
walls must have been fairly recently made, otherwise there would
be large silt flows hiding the sharp and shear features. The
Pacific plate is being pushed down into the Earth before our very
eyes, which is, I believe, why the two Alaskan quakes followed
each other vertically.

This whole process seems to have reached a critical point in the
1980s when the Hawaiian islands went into continual eruption, and
continue to do so today. If you look at the Hawaiian islands,
you will notice they are at the end of a long chain of volcanic
islands. This is supposed to be due to a hotspot moving beneath
the Earth's crust. But it is really due to recently warming
magma being squished up from below as a result of the
increasingly heavy daily tides pushing down on the Pacific plate.

Watch for earthquakes to start appearing on the long dormant
Mendocino, Murray, Clarion, and Clipperton fractures far out into
the Pacific. Already I have seen some quakes appearing on the
long dormant fractures near the equator. There is a reason why
these fractures exist and have such sharp features. Also, based
on the large silt deposits extending hundreds of miles off the
entire West Coast of the United States and Baja California, we
can expect major tsunamis in these areas.

I can't put an exact date on the catastrophic events, but the
causes are clearly active right now. With the current melt rate,
it can't be more than 10 years away before they begin, and it is
likely to be sooner. Watch out particularly for the next solar
maximum, it may occur around 2011. Just as a curiosity, the
Mayan calendar ends the following year.


11/22/2005 05:18:00 PM  
Blogger Adrenaline117 said...


Greetings, friend. I looked into the SITTER/Miracle 6 software you suggested previously. Found the Yahoo! Group and the official website (miracle6.org) and I now want to learn more. I already downloaded some freeware from the site and played with that. The documentation is scarce and not too well written.

I want to ask your opinion, which commercial package would you recommend to start? They offer a few different packages ranging from $50 to (I think) $200. This is completely new to me and I am very excited and quite eagar to jump in deep and LEARN. Fortunately, I am a quick learner (hope that is still true at my age ;)

TIA & positive energy,


11/22/2005 05:55:00 PM  
Blogger Jman95 said...


Greetings, friend. I looked into the SITTER/Miracle 6 software you suggested previously. Found the Yahoo! Group and the official website (miracle6.org) and I now want to learn more. I already downloaded some freeware from the site and played with that. The documentation is scarce and not too well written.

I want to ask your opinion, which commercial package would you recommend to start? They offer a few different packages ranging from $50 to (I think) $200. This is completely new to me and I am very excited and quite eagar to jump in deep and LEARN. Fortunately, I am a quick learner (hope that is still true at my age ;)

TIA & positive energy,


11/22/2005 05:55:58 PM

I had to heck this out, what is all this about?


11/22/2005 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger Gort said...

I heard George Noory report last night on C2C that the Hayabusa had only gotten as close as 56 feet to the 'stroid. Funny how he could know that at 1am EST on 11-22-05 and the JAXA/ISA website *still* has nothing newer than 11-20-05.

George did say he had talked with Cap'n Hoagland.
Speaking of...
I wonder what the Cap'n thinks of the recent news video of Prez Bush trying to get out of the press conference in China and the doors are locked. I Know RCH spoke about Clinton being locked out of the Whitehouse after a news conference a few years back on C2C.
Certainly some secret symbology involved. :)
Gort staying finely tuned

11/22/2005 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

LOL! The doors locked and then the mystery X's flashing on Cheney's face during his propaganda repitition (i.e. speech) at the American enterprise conference. What can it mean? ;)

11/22/2005 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...


Hi, thats great you checked it out. I would be at a loss to make a suggestion concerning which package. The higher price appeared at first inquiry to offer expanded options and/or more features. All good.

Here is a good comment on the level of official recognition Madam US Autism Ambassador Dr Rev Lynn Wedewer, DD, PhD is receiving.


There was a news bit that had appeared which described how her group made effort to help with an effort to discharge and redirect the hurricanes. It, of course, is now gone from my original link to it. That story was right at the same time of the flag gesture for her, which I gather is a fairly high level recognition for significant individuals.
I found her and the product through our consideration about how the hurricanes might have been controlled or affected.
Sitter technology as a revolutionary premise came out of that quiry, linking her with the hurricane story and tieing it in with with some of Richard H's descriptives of HD-Physics. Where science and the spiritual meet, as a unity device.


11/22/2005 05:55:58 PM

"good numbers!!!", "road signs of the way"

jman95, that link above will get you there. There were a few other web link ups to it, but I think that one is a good presentation.

11/22/2005 09:23:00 PM  
Blogger Gort said...

Did anyone else notice? Seems there was a tropical storm Gamma off Honduras, headed for southern Florida. Then it changed course and diminished to a whimpering tropical depression, while all the millionaires gathered at the track in Homestead on Sunday afternoon/evening to watch the big final race of the Nextel Cup(tm) Series of NASCAR(tm) autoracing.
When Wilma was "on the way", the KC Chiefs at Miami Dolphins was moved up to a Thursday from a scheduled Sunday game, but don't let no hurricane mess with Nascar dads!
word ID: cuuygkod - see you grokked?

11/22/2005 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger Gort said...

Over the river
through the woods

Gamma's :)

hoouse (for our Cannuck crewe)
we go!

Looking forward to Turkey and punkin' pie this Thursday.
I ain't scared o' no big bad bird flu. (but funny how all the news outlets had stories this week on "is your turkey safe?"
I remember in the late 50s, early sixties there was a big cranberry scare around Thanksgiving time.

Probably trying to write or call Congress persons this week is futile, they all be gone for turkey too, and lot's o' stuffing.

11/22/2005 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tuesday, November 22, 2005

Todays blurb:
Drugs (again). Specifically, Meth, or metaphethine.
I saw a man over the last two days who had come to our crew to work. He had a meth problem prior that had lasted several years. It drained his bank account – got him put in jail – and put him forty five thousand dollars in debt. My recent boss, having a big heart rehired him as he has been clean for several years.
Problem is – as I saw the man – the drug had altered him beyond recourse.
After two days of working he walked off the job, stole a bicycle and road it almost forty miles home. No lie.
My hats off to the men and women of the armed forces whose duty it is to crack down on these people who proliferate this dangerous drug. It is work without end.

Anyway, a few posts wandered by my eye.

ericswan said...

Sword...spend a few bucks and get a copy of America...At the Brink..T.E. Bearden..then you will see the whole picture. We're (North America) not on the top of the pile anymore. SDI won't save us.

Nope, SDI won’t save us – not completely … …
What probably will is all the gun owning Americans.
If we get invaded I hope however it is lands in south central LA, CA.

iontruo2---> Sword:
So what are you onto here?
What about the money?
What do you already know?
Please share some more of your knowledge and insight. Thanks

Think about it.
You dug up a lot of info – sort of beat me to the punch.
With everybody (and I mean everybody) digging and digging deep to get away from all the falling stars, wouldn’t you think that Canada would be doing the same thing. When you lamented on the money issues in Canada’s government, I thought about those facts.
Problem is – they got busted – yet, nothing much is coming of it.
I … wonder … why ….!?


11/22/2005 10:13:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Hi everyone,

Great posts! A number of very good threads to contemplate and delve into. Some real writing and pure personal comments, keep it up!!

Here is a good jpg. that paints a true picture of just what the notable meteor impact volume is really about, over North America!


Sword's nudge was pertaining to specifically Quebec-Geology.
I did find a number of comments in articles aluding to an emphasis on the Quebec meteor craters above all else and currently under the most focussed geological study.

example:Since Barringer's discovery, more than 100 terrestrial meteorite craters have been identified. They occur in all parts of the world, but are particularly impressive in northern Canada.

iontruo2---> Sword,
So, I got your hint, are you looking to them because they are clustered together and may be the most recent event examples for us to consider in terms of this upcoming event?
Knowing that Hudson's Bay used to be a North Pole, might that northern significance, located just right of the Bay be a triggering example of the last Pole Shift? Just a hunch to ponder.
Perhaps those meteor craters are the same material as is expected in this debris field that is coming?!!
So they were very telling in terms of what signiture of the material and what is the composition, and what was the last orientation towards impact here, on the previous go around.
"Head" North Young Man! with a December/January tilt! lol :)

iontruo2---> A comment on compositions.

"They also contain enrichments in Ir, Ni, Co and Cr suggesting that the impacting body was chondritic in composition with siderophile element enrichment (Grieve 1991). The exposed bedrock of the Pingualuit Meteorite Crater’s target rock consists of a mélange of metamorphosed, Archean plutonic rocks cut by rare basic dykes (Shoemaker, 1962)."

iontruo2--->This whole premise of "a gravity anomoly", is very interesting to me. So, what the heck is that? Certainly a key signiture they have noticed in a number of examples.

"A gravity anomaly at the Brent Crater produced by the sediments and fragmented rocks in the structure is illustrated in this Bouguer anomaly map (Millman et al. 1960). This gravity anomaly reinforces the meteoritic origin of this structure similar to other structures (see West Hawk and Wanapitei) that have been identified as impact events by similar gravity anomalies. It is interesting to note that in this gravity map that was published in 1960 the magnetic north had an indicated west declination (variation) of 10° 05’ W. Today in 2003 it is 12° 00’ W.
The change is due to the drift of the magnetic north pole over the past 43 years."
--same link as above.

iontruo2-->a North Pole that is drifting? hmmmm wink wink, don't say "nudge nudge"! ;)

Is that going to be the zone of maximum protection, SWORD?

11/22/2005 10:23:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

New Blog post is up!

11/22/2005 10:24:00 PM  
Blogger Gort said...

SunKing said...
EEEK, myself!

I forgot to thank Gort to being one ON TOPIC type crewe member (not that anyone is necessarily OFF topic, but, ya know...)!!!


gort--> You're welcome, SunKing.
Thanks for the kind words. I try to stay on topic more or less. Don't have time to get involved in all the cross chatter, what with trying to read everything and grok everything and do some research on Tempel 1 and Itokawa, and once in awhile check the weather maps, and listen to Coast, and only use Mrs. Gort's computer when she is catching zees or riding her xercize bike. She is at a meeting tonight so I got a little extra time. But I also have meetings and shopping with Mrs. Gort, and occasionally I sit in on a college art class. But I enjoy reading *most* of what is written in these blogs (Captain's and Drydock) even if I don't acknowledge agreeing or dissagreeing. Trying to focus my comments on a smaller range of topicness, and throw in a touch of humor once in awhile.
This is good mental excercise. It's good for our branes. :)

11/22/2005 10:25:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Sword, HELLO

you said:
Think about it.
You dug up a lot of info – sort of beat me to the punch.
With everybody (and I mean everybody) digging and digging deep to get away from all the falling stars, wouldn’t you think that Canada would be doing the same thing. When you lamented on the money issues in Canada’s government, I thought about those facts.
Problem is – they got busted – yet, nothing much is coming of it.
I … wonder … why ….!?
11/22/2005 10:13:23 PM

IonTruO2--> Ah YES!! Underground City 2006
Moscow, Russia


Thanks for bringing me back to that earlier insight. I could repost that hint thread again if anyone wants? It was about the growth of the tunnel boring industry. IOWs Lots of underground work going on these days!!!


Next year's dates for this company:
January 25-26, 2006
Underground City 2006
Moscow, Russia
-LOVAT will be participating in the premier Russian forum for the tunnelling industry.

April 22-27, 2006
32nd ITA World Tunnel Congress & General Assembly
Seoul, Korea
-LOVAT is proud to participate in multiple capacities at one of the most important of events in world tunnelling.

June 10-15, 2006
NAT 2006
Chicago, U.S.A
-LOVAT is a leading exhibitor and presence in this important North American conference.

11/22/2005 10:37:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

SunKing said...
New Blog post is up!

11/22/2005 10:24:16 PM

11/22/2005 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IonTruO2 said...
-LOVAT is a leading exhibitor and presence in this important North American conference.

Like I said:
I … wonder … why ….!?


11/22/2005 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

This may be somewhat off topic, but has anyone here ever listened to Dave Emory's radio programmes? He ran here for years in my area and I remember listening in 1995 that George W. Bush would be president in 2000 and how it would be done. I'd love to hear an archive of that.

His more recent programmes can be heard here if anyone is interested.


or through:


11/23/2005 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger Jman95 said...

History Channel is playing another UFO themed show, they do this alot,What do you think Sword, are they trying to get us ready for something?


11/25/2005 03:26:00 PM  

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