12.12.2005

The Saviour's Coming



HHMSS
Sword
The coming of a savior… Part One

"and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them"

Hello, this is Sword.

For our blogging community I would like to tell of a story that we all think we know through and through. It has been a story told for over two thousand years, and over the course of time, has changed, and perhaps, lost its meaning – and ultimately – its true meaning and understanding.
This story I wish to tell is the story of the coming of Jesus and the other two important elements of the story of his birth. I would also like to do this in three parts. Those two other elements of course are the star of crossing – or star of Bethlehem; and the three wise men. I will concentrate my references from the King James Version of the Holy Bible, specifically the book of Matthew.

The Star of Bethelhem

I will start with the element of the story that seems to be the most important, as it begins the story of Jesus arrival, that is the all telling star. Some have speculated that is was a conjunction of planets on the constellation of Pisces; that is of the FISH. Some have said that it was a comet, possibly Halley's comet, and others have even speculated that is was a super nova, first of course by our champion of elliptical orbits: Johannes Kepler. Much has been speculated about this star. However, let us reflect and concentrate as to what is reported in the KJV bible. To set the stage:

Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the
king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star
in the east, and are come to worship him.

The above sets the stage. Jesus was born in the days of Herod (the dastardly villain), and then three wise men came looking to worship him.

Now, after the stage is set, things get interesting, listen:


2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all
Jerusalem with him.

2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people
together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

So, everyone is in an uproar. Everyone is troubled. WHY? Something tells me that the star is early. Let us also remember that the star of Bethlehem has been depicted as a comet. That is, a bright "star" that has a tail. Thus, a fast moving celestial body.
King Herod gathered scribes, which is an important wording. Scribes would have access to all the kingdom records. Why would recorded events be of importance to the King during a time as this? Why would records be important to the "wise men" – also known of the time as astrologers or magi (those dealing in things magical)? Indeed, WHY?

The answer is stareing us in the face.

The bible is taking into account that we, the reader, have an understanding that thousands upon thousands of years of historical records were kept by mankind in the ancient Summerian culture (and others) of the ever-important - and ever reoccurring "Star of Crossing". As told to me, the Bible is, "one book of many" – meaning – do not discount the others!

Thus: The king, the wise men (astrologers), and the scribes with all their astronomical recorded events are preoccupied with the star of crossing’s arrival.

2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them
diligently what time the star appeared.

Diligently! Diligently, on their backs so to speak – the king wanted to know WHEN the star appeared AND – while not mentioned in the bible (yet implied: "gathered all the chief priests and scribes") – HOW does this reflect on the previous records. The difference in timing makes or breaks the world in this aspect. All of the kingdom was troubled. Everyone can see it, witness it – it’s a tangible truth that can not be escaped. This was a timed event remember – that is, this star of prophecy – it was recorded and foretold to happen over and over - for thousands of thousands of years – and whether or not is was early or late was of GREAT importance to everyone – including the kings. The "wise men" – the astrologers, and the scribes would have a very keen interest in regards to the star being early or not. After all, it was an astrological event that would have happened every twenty five hundred years or so. The star, showing up quite early, in a precession of continually showing up early (as recorded) would tell them all they needed to know.

Remember: "…he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him." We can understand why Herod would be troubled – for a new king was to arrive – but all of Jerusalem as well? Would this not be a time of celebration immediately? But no, it isn’t – everyone is troubled at first with the appearance of the star.

In Matthew 2:8 the king sends his astrologers out to follow the star to the location of the child’s birth, while he states he wishes to worship him – we all know – biased as readers by his previous actions – that he only wishes to slay him. But back to the matter at hand – the star. Let us see if we can really understand the key phrase here:


2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which
they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where
the young child was.

The key phrase of course is: "…went before them…". It literally led them along. Let us consider the location of the wise men – they where to the east of Bethlehem, east of Jerusalem, in Babylon. The rough estimate of travel distance between Babylon and Jerusalem is six hundred miles – to the West. Let us consider this fun fact: "Riding camels" can travel up to 100 miles in one day. For the wise men to follow a "star", over a distance of six hundred miles to Bethlehem west from Babylon, would mean that they would have had to travel day and night – until finally the star faded from sight and there journey was complete. If the wise men where to follow this star over a distance of roughly six hundred miles, they would have followed this "star" for six days, and on the seventh day…

2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with

Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had
opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and
frankincense and myrrh

As a side note, I love the above verse. It has nothing to do with the star of Bethlehem. It instills peace in my heart, for the following verse(s) show what witnessing the child could do to men of good hearts. Well discuss that in part two.

So, to recap:
A "star" appears, the star of prophecy – and all of the sudden the most powerful king of the land calls for his astrologer’s, priests and scribes. The fact that Herod called for astrologers is one thing, yet – to call for scribes indicates he was looking at historical records!

He sends forth the astrologers– and they follow the star from Babylon west to Bethlehem – roughly six hundred miles away. This journey, by camel would take six days, finally reaching their destination to worship the child on the seventh day.

What could be in the sky that would be illuminated enough for three astrologers to follow for six days worth of travel? Additionally, the star "went before them" – east to west!

What could possibly travel in the sky for six days traveling east to west?

A planet of elliptical orbit perhaps? Could it be the "Star of crossing" from ancient Sumerian lore?

Stay tuned for part 2… …The three wise guys.

575 Comments:

Blogger starshipconstellation said...

Wow.This is quite a blog with a very interesting take on the birth of Christ. Especially if Herod had access to the recrods described. The Star of Crossing sounds like the name of a vessel to me. Not a comet, but a ship?

12/12/2005 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Hale Bopp was visible over my roof for a couple of weeks. I suppose it depends on how far "the star of crossing" is from earth to determine how long the trip would take.

12/12/2005 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

(APPLAUSE)
Sword, what a beautifully written essay. I have always had trouble with this section. In my younger years when studying this, I was unable to read between the lines, or use historical fact as a guide. I never went back to it. I look forward to reading the rest.

12/12/2005 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Applause from Texas too. Very well done. The new twist concerning Herod is intriguing.

You had mentioned in an earlier blog about the return every 2500 years or so. I had wondered why it was expected back so soon if it were truly a 2500 year or so orbit. You do mention in your blog that it had arrived early, so I'm curious as to how that applies to its next visit and, of course, to the rest of your story. Guess I'll have to wait for part 2 and 3!

Again, well done.

Spider

12/12/2005 05:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

Different scientific and faith-based interpretations of the Star of Bethlehem



http://doig.net/NTC08.htm

http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/Preces.htg/precession.htm

http://lynnelnicole.blogspot.com/2005/10/interesting-knowlege-on-star-of.html

http://www.whitedovemsg.com/messages/nov/star.htm

12/12/2005 05:52:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

I would have written more earlier but I had to get off the computer because of a shift change at work. Sword, I think you've written a timely piece that I think gets at the core of what TEM is about.

Did any of the records Herod's scribes, priests and astrologers use to calculate the arrival of the Star survive to be found in the public domain of today? It would be quite something for the Drydock's number cruncher's to get hold of. But I have a feeling that the records are safely stashed away from our inquiring eyes.

It could well be a planet of elliptical orbit, but given the descriptions in Ezekiel of what sounds like to me like a visit from the crew of a starship, I think the Star is a Starship. Someone came back to put in motion a long formed plan or to see how plans already in motion were progressing. If you have no point of reference for what space vehicles look like against the night sky, I'm willing to speculate it could appear as a star. A ship could be early. Apparently the appearance of the Star in the sky had been described sufficiently to be recognised to those trained to look for it.

RCH speculates upon the artificiality of Iapetus. I'm no expert, but my imagination is willing to take the leap to speculate that RCH is right about Iapetus and that it was once a functioning space vessel and that when that ship was in operation could have well been the "Star of crossing" in ancient Sumerian lore. Only now it's in a parking orbit off of Saturn.

12/12/2005 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

The vacuum tubes in my brain must be overheating for my overuse of the word "speculate" today. LOL. Sheesh!

12/12/2005 06:11:00 PM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

We celebrate a fake messiah's (just another jooish politicians) birth.

Don't worry - he'll be dead by Easter (or should I say EATster)

I condemn his sissy philosophy - and all the Gods of Rome condemn him

12/12/2005 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous 371 Bohemia said...

Hi,

Brief events ...

Hundreds of auroras detected on Mars

According to the physicists, the auroras on Mars aren't due to a planet-wide magnetic field, but instead are associated with patches of strong magnetic field in the crust, primarily in the southern hemisphere. And they probably aren't as colorful either, the researchers say: The energetic electrons that interact with molecules in the atmosphere to produce the glow probably generate only ultraviolet light - not the reds, greens and blues of Earth.

Of the 13,000 auroral observations so far, the largest seem to coincide with increased solar wind activity.

"The observations suggest some acceleration process occurs like on Earth," he said. "Something has taken the electrons and given them a kick."

What that "something" is remains a mystery, though Lin and his UC Berkeley colleagues lean towards a process called magnetic reconnection, where the magnetic field traveling with the solar wind particles breaks and reconnects with the crustal field. The reconnecting field lines could be what flings the particles to higher energies.

The surface magnetic fields, Brain said, are produced by highly magnetized rock that occurs in patches up to 1,000 kilometers wide and 10 kilometers deep. These patches probably retain magnetism left from when Mars had a global field in a way similar to what occurs when a needle is stroked with a magnet, inducing magnetization that remains even after the magnet is withdrawn. When Mars' global field died out billions of years ago, the solar wind was able to strip the atmosphere away. Only the strong crustal fields are still around to protect portions of the surface.

"We call them mini-magnetospheres, because they are strong enough to stand off the solar wind," Lin said, noting that the fields extend up to 1,300 kilometers above the surface. Nevertheless, the strongest Martian magnetic field is 50 times weaker than the field at the Earth's surface. It's hard to explain how these fields are able to funnel and accelerate the solar wind efficiently enough to generate an aurora, he said.

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Next stop, Pluto

Safety risk small in launch of NASA's nuclear-powered New Horizons probe

The bottom line:

There is a 1 in 350 chance that a worst-case accident early in launch could release radioactive plutonium somewhere in a six-county area surrounding Cape Canaveral, including Brevard County, according to government studies.

If that happened, the maximum dose a person might be exposed to would be similar to eight medical X-rays -- less than the natural background radiation over 50 years.

Added up, we're convinced the potential risk is minute and would require a perfect storm of converging factors to put lives in danger.

New Horizons' window opens Jan. 11 and remains open until Feb. 14, but the spacecraft must launch no later than Feb. 2 to take advantage of the time saving Jupiter gravity assist. Otherwise, New Horizons will have to be launched on a direct trajectory that would delay its encounter with Pluto perhaps as much as three years.

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Stardust Space Probe to Land in Utah Next Month

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Fate of Japan's troubled asteroid probe still uncertain

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Nasa plans Neptune landing

AUDACIOUS plans for a 30-year space mission to land a probe on Neptune and its largest moon Triton are being developed by a team of US researchers backed by Nasa.

The team, comprising a university professor and a robotic systems expert, have come up with a concept for a 36-tonne "mothership" powered by a nuclear fission reactor and ion propulsion system and equipped with probes that would investigate the ice giant orbiting some 4.5 billion kilometres from the Sun.

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The Moon and Mars will be above your neighborhood on Opportunity's "One Martian Year" Anniversary, December 12, 2005.

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371 Bohemia

12/12/2005 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

Very intriguing angle Sword......

Looking forward to whence part two shall cometh unto us.....

uni

12/12/2005 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger Sword said...

371 Bohemia said...
another news blurb

Hey man - check it out - I'm trying to keep this blog entry ON TOPIC.
Give me something reagrding the Star of crossing - or don't post. Please.
I KNOW you got something to say on the matter - so don't give us the news - give me soemthing more substatial - like your THOUGHTS...

Sword

12/12/2005 07:52:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

I've never heard anything about these three wise men, other than they followed the star, bearing gifts, etc.
Do we know anything else about these guys? Their race? Their rank? Were they delivery guys, or were they kings themselves? How far east did they come from? China?
uni

12/12/2005 08:03:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

BRILLIANT POST SWORD !!!!!!
It really shifts us all to the frontal lobe ...
I'm looking forward to your take on Balthazar, Melchior and I forget the other guy :-)

12/12/2005 08:06:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Wow Sword, you have a way of just (made-up word coming up) "De-Christifying" the Christmas story...

Unipax, I just realized why the 757 disappeared from radar. The terrorists turned off the transponder, which lets the controllers know where a plane's at (I'm not joking)...

I hope the Plutonium Powered Pluto Probe (or P4) launches in January...

Oh yeah, I read in the latest issue of "Popular Science" about man-made black holes by smashing 2 protons together (don't worry, their not going to be a threat to the Earth)...

Still waiting for part 7 of "A Moon With A View"...

Product placement in the word verification. stpvz (first 3 letters)

John

12/12/2005 09:13:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

The third king was Gaspar. There's nothing else written about these 3 kings in Matthew, but I did find a review on a book called "The History of the Three Kings." It does contain a more detailed description of this "star". Doesn't sound like a planet in this description...more like Starshipconstellation's space ship! Excerpt:

The elaborate story that we know today can be found in the Historia Trium Regum, the History of the Three Kings, which is attributed to the fourteenth-century cleric John of Hildesheim. In this compilation of the legend, we are told much more about the star: "When the day of the nativity was passed the Star ascended up into the firmament, and it had right many long streaks and beams, more burning and brighter than a brand of fire; and as an eagle flying and beating the air with his wings, right so the streaks and beams of the Star stirred about."

More details here about the 3 Kings: The Three Kings and the Star

Spider

12/12/2005 09:16:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

starshipconstellation said;
"Did any of the records Herod's scribes, priests and astrologers use to calculate the arrival of the Star survive to be found in the public domain of today? It would be quite something for the Drydock's number cruncher's to get hold of. But I have a feeling that the records are safely stashed away from our inquiring eyes."

I wonder if that was what the Templars found?

sword,
I have heard the bits about a supernova and the comet. And the Pisces bit.
The fact that it arrived early, is that because of the breakup of the planet or that is precessing in it's orbit so that it will continually arrive earlier? In that it moves E to W, does that make it's orbit within our system retrograde to ours? (I am not very good on that)
How is the orbital time known? Another researcher has reported 3600 years, you are reporting 2500. Where does this information come from? We've already found and measured the Star of Crossing, haven't we.
I have been going a bit with the crew re Annunaki. So your post is very timely. I knew we would find that planet, and I think that happened back in 1983 with IRAS. Because after that, the machine pretty much disappeared from the radar. If that is the case and the orbit was plotted, it could be extrapolated back to support your statements. Sitchen could or wouldn't ever give exact dates as they related to his research and Nibiru. If you have, we would still have a few hundred years to wait unless it is really picking up speed for it to come around again. Unless I am not going in the right direction with any of this. Thanks sword, you got my brain going and I'm looking forward to part deux. :)


Wayne

12/12/2005 09:23:00 PM  
Blogger Sword said...

I am so very, very, very (3 times I say) HAPPY about the rave reviews I have received from you all.
Thank you for you appluase, thank you for your kind words.
Except for the ignorant - yet bright youth - and the Aniti-Jesuiet - A L L comments have been very positive. Oddily enough I was thinking that the opposite would happen! :-)

Part two will be short, the three wise guys - and part three might be rather long - and wholey disturbing to you all. Disturbing? Indeed, for I am a man of far diffrent teachings than the rest of you.

Stay tunned my brothers ans sisters - stay tunned... ...

Sword

12/12/2005 09:38:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

oh duh,
shrinking orbit, earlier and earlier arrival, closing trajectory, increasing proximity, deploy countermeasures, dig, duck & cover....beam me up
uni

12/12/2005 09:42:00 PM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

The terrorists turned off the transponder, which lets the controllers know where a plane's at (I'm not joking)...

The only thing that would happen is THE RADAR BLIP will not have a "code" next to it !!

The blip stays on the screen without any "caption"

12/12/2005 10:01:00 PM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Got any more questions about how you are being lied to John?

Of course you live in the most amazingly awesome country in the world and "they hate our freedoms"

I look forward to the USA getting ass-kicked in Olympic hockey in February !!

Gold: Canada
Silver: Russia
Bronze: Sweden

12/12/2005 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Reading more about Planet X or the Star of Crossing, I found that it is also called the "winged" planet or the "Phoenix, the fiery, winged planet". Now that fits the description I just posted of the Star of Bethlehem perfectly ("and it had right many long streaks and beams, more burning and brighter than a brand of fire; and as an eagle flying and beating the air with his wings, right so the streaks and beams of the Star stirred about."

OK, connection made...ready for part 2!

Spider

12/12/2005 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger Sword said...

Songs of interest:
Kenny Rodgers - The Gambler... ...

"You got to know when to hold em - know when to fold em - know when walk away - know when to RUN!"

Thanks Kenny!
Thanks A L L for the positive feedback - still waiting on a few cruical peer feedbacks... ...
Sword

12/12/2005 10:50:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

SWORD,

Thank you for that fine story telling. Good flow.

It would seem the reason the "comet" would arrive earlier is from your previous disclosure concerning the declining eliptical orbit? And oh yes, the Oval Office!

Does comet=debris field? This is where I am getting a little fuzzy.
So when the eliptical orbit degenerates to hyberbola, which then leads to escape of the comet from the solar system we get examples like this perhaps?:]
Where a "comet" is observed exiting:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20051114/star_spa.html

The lead up to that condition, is the "comet" arrives here sooner each occassion, roughly 2500 years.
So some "comets are orbiting and some periodically get spit out of the system.

With the "star that crosses our path", there would be a size of "falling star" that would be most necessary to watch for. Like perhaps bigger than a house?
at: http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,16379787%5e1702,00.html

Here is that recent example of notable size:
they said:
An asteroid the size of a house that exploded with the power of an atom bomb over Antarctica last year may help scientists prepare for the entrance of larger bodies into the Earth's atmosphere.

The 1000-tonne asteroid crashed to Earth in millions of pieces last September, 900km from the nearest humans at Japan's Syowa station.

A trail of dust recorded by a physicist 1500km away at Australia's Davis station shows that if the asteroid had not fragmented into tiny pieces when it hit the Earth's atmosphere, it would have had an impact similar to the bombing of Hiroshima.

Dr Andrew Klekociuk, from the Australian Antarctic Division, said today the event helped scientists prepare for the effects of a larger asteroid hitting the Earth.


Iontruo2-->That was a real current example, just september 2004.

I just started an interesting book that I stumbled on at Chapters books for $4.99cheap, called Wormwood by G.P. Taylor. Very on topic with these themes, this fictional book is presenting story in 1756 London and uses the interesting term "sky-quakes".
As well there is a persistent recurent theme in my general experience with this name Wormwood, notably through Dr. Culpeper as I previously posted. In this latest book again it is showing up, presented in the title and referenced in quote from the story: "Wormwood...the bright star shall fall from the sky...and many will die from its bitterness."

Tragic segue: I have a unique old card of a cross with Jesus portrait in the middle and three words on the ends of the cross:
Honour...Love...Reparation

Reparation means: a putting into good condition or being so repaired.
a righting of a wrong.
something done or paid as compensation of a wrong or damage done.

An interesting choice of word isn't it?

What I am getting at with this subjective symbolism is that this is a time when we will see a gesture of truly divine proportions and a moment of real Reparation, an intervention of Honour and Love at just the right moment, which is Now.

Thus the importance of that sign.
A Great Sign.

12/12/2005 10:57:00 PM  
Blogger Sword said...

And the peer feedback appears!
Speak of the devil! (Tounge and cheek)

On A Side Note - (OASN - not to be confused with SITRO)
Today - I am drinking wine - blood red wine - AKA - The BLOOD of christ - By the gallon...

Soon I shall respond to all the feedback of this blog entry.
While it is my words - let us not forget the man whom presented this space for us: That is: Sunking.
Better give props to the man.

Sword

12/12/2005 11:05:00 PM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Sun King is a rather ostentatious title. I'm just a Unit

12/12/2005 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

SWORD,
Gosh, thanks. Very kind.

Bravo to you, you were holding the can opener!! I was just a.mused lol hi hi hi!!

Sunking's the bright one holding the light here with his radient smile! Props to our moderator/acting/host/asst./ Capt.

I am in the company of Fine Men.

12/12/2005 11:33:00 PM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Sunking, I for one would like to thank you for giving Sword the outlet to(finally) teach us what he has been taught. This is not only a timely blog topic, but a topic that spans aeons.

Sword, Other than kudos, I have not posted anything of importance. However, I believe you will appreciate my endevours. I have spent the majority of my free hours this afternoon and evening researching. When I professed my ignorance of this particular section, I dont think I mentioned my lifelong confusion at the description of events. I have since been doing alot of reading. Please dont think me rude or uninterested while I try to study on my own.

Ion - How well you express what is on my mind. You never cease to amaze me.

12/12/2005 11:34:00 PM  
Blogger Sword said...

Songs of interest:
BTO: Taking care of buisness

if I MUST tell you of BTO then really, you are a square [ ]... ...


Thanks for the positive input on my blog entry...
The captain - he IS listening... ...!

Sword

12/12/2005 11:52:00 PM  
Blogger noname said...

John said...
Wow Sword, you have a way of just (made-up word coming up) "De-Christifying" the Christmas story...

How on earth did he de-christify it? At least not yet. You know, by the time I was your age I had studied 2 years of New Testament & Old Testament history at college (California Lutheran University where I went the first 2 years). You should not be so afraid of really digging into your faith, peeling back the layers. You don't have to just believe what one person preaches from a pulpit. Even the late Pope was fascinated by the new physics discoveries & how they might apply to ancient faith. For example, he saw no conflict with the Universe starting as a big bang instead of 6 days + evolution.

Your mind is far too young to be so firmly clamped shut .. open it .. one of the most amazing experiences is when you follow every historical & scientific avenue out there that challenges the Bible .. and in the end realize all still points back to the same Truth.

Faith in things unseen .. whether they be UFO's, hidden planets, or the Holy Trinity.. is a gift to be treasured & built upon. Why do you think He gave us inquiring minds.. if not to ... inquire??

Sword is sharing his vision of biblical events with us, based also on his extensive researches. We will learn from it & it can only make us stronger. :-)

12/12/2005 11:57:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

A spin on the shooting star ...
Would a passing planet be tidally locked to the center of landmass on Earth ?
Wouldn't it also cause the sundials to change (as was reported in the bible)
Just curious & thinking out loud :-)

12/12/2005 11:58:00 PM  
Blogger noname said...

iontruo2 said: Reparation means: a putting into good condition or being so repaired.
a righting of a wrong.
something done or paid as compensation of a wrong or damage done.


Wow .. this sentence triggered off a whole new train of thought for me as to *why* Jesus came & *had* to die. As per my pervious post a couple of blogs back, I believe the whole "salvation from sin" thing was added later as a control factor. But .. "the righting of a wrong". What wrong? Something to do with our prior speculations about the role of the Annunaki, perhaps?

Something went *wrong* in our origins, it had to be "fixed", put back on track again....

Lots of pondering to do on this still....

12/13/2005 12:05:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

or a brown dwarf with say maybe 4 moons accompanying it?

12/13/2005 12:06:00 AM  
Blogger unipax said...

KB4K,

Yup. We're among some great minds.
So great, in fact, that they know who they are.
For me, 'tis an honor and a privilege privelige privledge pre-village to be on board.

I'd like to also acknowledge RCH for all he has done from years ago,
including launching this ship we now sail.
And of course Sunking, for stepping in when most needed.
uni

12/13/2005 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am deeply dismayed about how we have bastardized the original Enterprise Mission from one of cuting edge technical prowess and pursuit of disclosure of useful and coveted technology to an all out group hug and binge on religious iconography and zeal.

Since the source of spoon-fed knowledge has stopped, does that mean we also have stopped feeding and now cling to religion and way-out articles as a catch-all security blanket?

Look deep into the events for an explanation. It is very hard work and terribly time consuming BUT the former Captain has diligently done it for decades and has numerous publications to prove. It never is easy finding the needle in the haystack. Everything has a meaning that is demostrable and provable. The quitter and hopeless is the one who chalks it up as some "supreme being's" will or fate.

The only fate that is inevitable is death. Someday, we are all going to die. Why dwell on that? Why not discover and uncover, learn and grow, open ones eyes and leave behid a legacy in our provable works.

Simply because some book says something and some other book says something else ... what it all boils down to is *INTERPRETATION*. People zealously hold to their INTERPRETATIONS. Arguements based on emotions, feelings, spiritualism, and interpretations always result in both hard feelings and a draw.

Scientific *FACT* and cold, hard, unadulterated TRUTH is never open to interpretation. Go outside, it is cold and snowing -- that is FACT; provable, concrete, irrefutable demonstrable FACT! It cannot be denied or misinterpreted that. We need the same evidence or else this whole thing floats like a lead brick.

12/13/2005 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

How far would three wise Kings get simply following a Star ? A map with connect-the-dots drawn between stars will only get you so far.

Would three Kings venture beyond their borders and go 500 miles or cross a continent without a terrestrial map ?

This raises the question : What did their terrestrial map look like ?

Oh well, better to just avoid those uncomfortable questions and follow the crowd. Maps were and have always been EXACTLY like National Geographic maps ... nine out of ten mystery guides say so ... so it must be true !

12/13/2005 12:29:00 AM  
Blogger unipax said...

anony,
I beg to differ.
Our Skipper, RCH launched this crew and is with us still.
We are not him. We are plotting our own course in his absence.
He always said this was multi-disciplined, far reaching investigation. (or something to that effect...)
Besides, we all know who we are ;)
uni

12/13/2005 12:30:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

Anon: Scientific *FACT* and cold, hard, unadulterated TRUTH is never open to interpretation. Go outside, it is cold and snowing -- that is FACT; provable, concrete, irrefutable demonstrable FACT

FACT - the earth is flat
FACT - the sun revolves around the earth
FACT - man cannot fly
FACT - you cannot flip a switch and light up a room

all these were hard, proven SCIENTIFIC FACTS .. in their time

Tomorrow FACT: we see through the veil & marvel at what is on the other side, always has been there, just hidden from view while we were out worshipping the FACTS.

:-))

12/13/2005 12:33:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

You're right, nightstar, he didn't take Christ out of the Christmas story. But it just seems like he's taking away the need for faith in God's loving the world so much that He sent His Son to save us...

Biological_unit, first off, thanks for clarifying exactly what the transponder does. I've always thought that if it gets turned off, then they lose the plane on their screens. Second off, the thought of the government or some secret agency within the government, yet unkown to most of the government, sanctioning an attack on the Pentagon (or even just THINKING about attacking the Pentagon) makes me feel very uneasy. Third off, another question. Why the heck aren't the major news channels covering the oil depot blasts. I haven't heard a peep from the tv about it, yet on the internet and the radio, I hear about it, even if it's only briefly. Surely it can't be that hard to get some reporters over to the blast site (which, last I read, was still burning). Also, what's up with SOHO? It's been since Friday that it's had this "CCD bakeout". Now, I know that they can't just go up and fix it, but come on! This is NASA for crying out loud. They "MacGyver"ed new filters for Apollo 13, yet they can't fix a CCD bakeout?...

Didn't mean to rant there

12/13/2005 12:38:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Kudos SWORD.
Beautiful, elegant and timely.
I look forward to the discourse in the coming days.

All: I have had some great personal loss in the last few days-I am here but quiet. I should have solemity for 7 days, but being that my friend was only half Jew (with a wicked sense of humor and a DEEP sense of the "beyond")- she will probably permit me 3 1/2.
I'll chat soon.
Scar

12/13/2005 12:39:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Anonymous,
Nobody is taking anything away from RCH.

Some think he should have treated Bloggers (his supporters) like friends ... others are resigned to the reality that we were not "real" to the Captain. Somewhere in the middle, there might be a warm, fuzzy group that is willing to believe that RCH was held at knife-point and ordered not to Blog anymore.

We judge RCH as individuals, not as a collective. We all hold different opinions and have not taken a poll - I think most consider it to be a dead issue that was resolved when we went from the 2,400 message post at TEM to the DryDock.

12/13/2005 12:39:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

unipax said...
anony,
I beg to differ.
Our Skipper, RCH launched this crew and is with us still.
We are not him. We are plotting our own course in his absence.
He always said this was multi-disciplined, far reaching investigation. (or something to that effect...)
Besides, we all know who we are ;)
uni

Oh, yeah, we're plotting our own course, but sooner or later, someone needs to hit the "OnStar" button... :)

John

12/13/2005 12:43:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

NightStar said...

FACT - the earth is flat
FACT - the sun revolves around the earth
FACT - man cannot fly
FACT - you cannot flip a switch and light up a room

all these were hard, proven SCIENTIFIC FACTS .. in their time

Tomorrow FACT: we see through the veil & marvel at what is on the other side, always has been there, just hidden from view while we were out worshipping the FACTS.

:-))

Spider-----> Now that was good!! :)

12/13/2005 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good post sword, ...leading to WHEN is the next star of crossing?
Earlier that I KNOW the better ;)

Another earthquake, how can we uncover whether an earthquake is an ELFquake, or a haarpiquake, or a pulsequake?
The location of this one is not far from the last Afganhistan quake
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1572167,0008.htm

I've written my u.s. representative and both my senators urging them to look at the pentalawn video and
urging a new investigation into the multiple mysteries of 911.

To the anon, you have a point, I don't think you have THE point though ;) Seems to me discussing religion
is important as it is a microcosm of one of the great ills of this planet. Also Swords post, while citing
a biblical event, likely has some relevent scientific information. These discussion points do not rule out
your quest for technical prowess. Hold on because I'm sure the pendulum will be swinging back into a serious
look at cop>1 energy/anti-gravity etc. I'm holding off on my TR-38 work-up in deference to the current thread.
I think if you post something in the area you'd like to see discussion, you'll likely see others add on to your
thread, please post some of that info. -Bryan
p.s. Sword, I think that your response to bohemia could have used a dash more finesse. I like his posts
and checked each of his links as I often have. I think there's always gonna be some curveballs tossed around in
here.

12/13/2005 12:58:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

darn .................(*_*)

12/13/2005 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NightStar said...

Anon: Scientific *FACT* and cold, hard, unadulterated TRUTH is never open to interpretation. Go outside, it is cold and snowing -- that is FACT; provable, concrete, irrefutable demonstrable FACT

FACT - the earth is flat
FACT - the sun revolves around the earth
FACT - man cannot fly
FACT - you cannot flip a switch and light up a room

all these were hard, proven SCIENTIFIC FACTS .. in their time

Tomorrow FACT: we see through the veil & marvel at what is on the other side, always has been there, just hidden from view while we were out worshipping the FACTS.

:-))

12/13/2005 12:33:45 AM

Why were these accepted as "fact" then? Because different people worked hard to prove that was the case. Given the knowledge, understanding, and technology available at that time, some amazing things were discovered that still hold true today (i.e., Newtonian mechanics, gravity, a better understanding of the orbits in our solar system).

These folks used mathemaics, visual observation, and detailed descriptive explanations before people accepted it as general fact. Each supported the other.

No one said "well it says it in some book and we must have faith and have to believe ... that's all."

I'll give that modern scientific knowledge and technology still has many unanswered questions. Like the beginnings of time, for example. But to say that a supreme force kicked it all into action is a quick feel-good cop-out. If this is true, we need to be thoroughly and completely convinced. Once this thought path is bought into, the arguments become cyclical and stops progressing. "It is because it is." Or, "It is because I said so." Chicken-and-egg.

The fact examples given changed because, as in any true logical rational discipline, these are always challenged and tested. Newton's calculation of gravity (9.8 m/s/s) is still tested and chalenged to this day some 300 years later (roughly)! If ever a discrepancy is found, it is ruthlessly challenged, examined, and tested before being accepted and those conditions are precisely and exquisitely documented.

12/13/2005 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To add on to my previous post, I have never heard of any religion getting science right. When science flew in the face of religious teachings, those courageous early "scientists" were ostracised, incarcerated, ridiculed, excommunicated, tortured, and run-out.

Of course one might think: "Well, DUH, religion is not science." And you are absolutely 100% correct. But wasn't it science that helped clarify some of the religious teachings and corrected some incorrect views from a rudimentary technical basis. Science is also instumental in helping to prove/disprove some religious events.

12/13/2005 01:42:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

But to say that a supreme force kicked it all into action is a quick feel-good cop-out.

>>>ummm... I think you may need to talk to some physicists & get updated.. many if not most of them, including Stephen Hawking are turning to the concept of an intelligent force as being the first cause. In fact in certain mathematical models, it is the *only* hypothesis that works.

BTW, who are you, anonymous?

12/13/2005 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NightStar said...
But to say that a supreme force kicked it all into action is a quick feel-good cop-out.

>>>ummm... I think you may need to talk to some physicists & get updated.. many if not most of them, including Stephen Hawking are turning to the concept of an intelligent force as being the first cause. In fact in certain mathematical models, it is the *only* hypothesis that works.

Reply:
Given BUT science is edging closer and closer to t=0. It is a simple quick jump to assume a kickstart simply because we do not (yet) have the understanding or mathematics/physics to describe t=0, t<0, and t=i. In time we will.

And basing a hyposis on *only* one model is near-sighted research. Any research, experiment, hypothesis, and/or test always has a series of conditions or tests (what-if scenarios). I am sure that giving so much to something unknown makes many esteemed scientists uneasy.

How can one explain it? We can't ... yet.

12/13/2005 02:21:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Anon - Can I buy a copy of your book? Ya know, the one titled "Science, no room for Religion"? If the subjuct of the blog does not appeal to you, perhaps you should just not read it. You can always come back at a later date when we have completed our scientific dissection of the KJB. Here, let me give you the key to the chains that bind you here. I hope I speak for us all when I say that we are sincerely sorry to have held you here against your will. I am sure that someone of your intellect can find something better to do with your time than to take away from our little experiment during this Holyday season. Merry CHRISTmas and Happy New Year.

12/13/2005 02:29:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

I hope I have not offended the blog GODS, but since no one is trying to convert anyone, I see no reason to not continue. I happen to have waited quite awhile for Sword to reveal all that he has been hinting at. I also just REALLY hate it when someone tries to tell me NOT to learn about something.

LOVE LEARN LIGHT

12/13/2005 02:32:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Scarlet, I am sorry for the loss of your friend. It is never easy to lose someone you love, no matter what season it is. Look forward to 'hearing' from you in a few days.

12/13/2005 02:35:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

Double dittos kb4 :-)

And scarlet, my condolences as well. It sounds like your friend was a very cool individual :-)

12/13/2005 02:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KrazyBy4Kids said...

...

I also just REALLY hate it when someone tries to tell me NOT to learn about something.

...

12/13/2005 02:32:19 AM

I said that? Gee, I did not consiciously realize I wrote or even thought that.

Balance. Question and challenge. That is the message.

I guess I should ask you for your book then, "Acceptance without Proof". I am sure it is on some best sellers' list here.

12/13/2005 02:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KrazyBy4Kids,

If you look at my comment dated 12/13/2005 01:42:08 AM I also said that science and religion can work together.

"Science is also instumental in helping to prove/disprove some religious events."

12/13/2005 02:57:00 AM  
Blogger zebowho said...

Very timely Sword...Sunking, thanks for the latest read, can't wait for the next one!

anon said...
>If you look at my comment dated 12/13/2005 01:42:08 AM I also said that science and religion can work together.<

No you didn't because working together would imply a mutual benefit...RIGHT? When actually, you stated that religion benefits from science not the other way around...hmmm

>QUOTE=anon "I have never heard of any religion getting science right."<

Doesn't sound like you're saying they're working together to me! Also since when did comments like "intreguing" "interpretation" "prior speculations" even remotely imply FACT. The only fact I'm reading is that "it's" written down...not that it's true.

I think a re-read my be in order ;)

>anon...."how we have bastardized the original Enterprise Mission"<

Just how much of this stuff do you ACTUALLY read? I think most here will agree and has been stated on prior TEM blog comment sections (which was confirmed by RCH BTW) that it's all connected and there's an underlying current with TEM's research that happens to be the topic at hand.

Again Sword/SunKing throwing out a "Jas...Whoop Whoops!" This is a subject of great interest to me as well and a point I reached after following TEM's research. There is a truth in there somewhere and I think it will be huge, but that's just my opinion not fact ;).

Crypt0, I hear ya with the maps...gotta do some homework though.

-z

wordy thingy = icaiwgkr (I see and I walk, gave killer responce) <--Ok it's late...need more coffee!!

12/13/2005 04:21:00 AM  
Blogger Gort said...

Sword,
Interesting blog. I think there are different layers of meaning in the Bible. Even if the actual events didn't take place as described, the inclusion of the events and certain details in the story have some meaning to someone.
As Jesus said, "let he who has ears hear."
Also, just because they could travel by camel 100 miles a day, doesn't mean that they flat-out booked across the desert for 6 days and nights non-stop. They were astrologers, not power Rangers. The star could have been seen for *at least* six days, but maybe longer, bsaed on your assumptions.
Staying tuna-ed for the next two parts.
Gort

12/13/2005 04:38:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

The C2C guest tonight had alot of proprietary information that he couldn't talk about. He's a futurist talking about trends. He threw around some economic terms like 'looking for the epicenter of value' but if only he would use his economics for good instead of evil.

IMHO, his responsibilities as a citizen and fellow human being should TRUMP and legally nullify any contract that requires he suspend his social conscience.

Implants to enhance the human experience would "only be available to those who could afford it, perhaps creating the new elite upper class and (trails off to add ominously) the new soldiers".

He mentioned health care as an economic driver and played very tightly to the supply-side. Health care forces certain people to spend money. At 20, it's zilch. At 40, it's a couple a bucks. The real center of the road economist would have stated UP FRONT that demand wants healthy people, while supply ... we're not so sure about.

For example, nano-bots that could eat plaque in arteries and veins ... if you sold BILLIONS worth of drugs that tried to accomplish that same thing with chemistry, would you be happy ? As Don Corleone would say, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" ... in fact, you might patent the nano-bots and shelve it until your chemistry patents run out.

We should not trust supply to meet demand. Capitalism is faith-based while trickle down is downright Satan-worshipping ... but capitalism under ideal conditions can create dangerous paradoxes. The person selling you the pound of cure on a monthly basis DESPERATELY WANTS ownership and control of the one-time ounce of prevention. they want to sell what they've got on the shelf - that's fine, but it's just wrong to prevent safer, better competing solutions by market (supply-side) manipulation.

It reminds me of the Economist Magazine when I was in University - they slammed Norway for public health care saying 5 million people can not share a group policy. A few issues later, they are praising Toyota for doing the EXACT same thing for its 10 million employees.

Demand has been elbowed out - first by the special interest groups, then think tanks, then appointing the lobbyists to run the public agencies ... so, I sort of expect coast to have a working knowledge of some of these issues. It seems the host is always hearing it for the first time - too aloof to challenge the guests, or have the guest speak TO the demand side, rather than spend 3 or 4 hours speaking FOR the supply side.

He touched on education as well. An economist with his vocabulary should also know that Rockefeller summed up the supply-side view of education, "we want workers, not thinkers". Does supply side want the manure spread out evenly ? Or unevenly ? With the exception of super-rich neighborhoods, like 90210, demand side of education mainly expects the manure to be spread out evenly.

In almost every other case, supply-side interest groups speak for demand ... but when it comes to people's health and their kids - harder to silence those people or keep them out of the arena.

We don't hear many people demanding a health care system that would make Jesus proud. It seems the Christian right only get out of bed to vote against gay marriage and abortion clinics. A Jesus-based Health Care system would certainly be something to get behind - nobody is getting any younger - a heaven-on-Earth policy.

12/13/2005 05:05:00 AM  
Blogger DCAG said...

crypt0:
Thank you for the critique: you do them well.
Sword: Thank you for your thought provoking post - looking forward to part 2 & 3 to see where you are going with it.
Great Posts tonight.
Anon: Science and Religion can work together - If you meant to say that, I agree.

12/13/2005 05:31:00 AM  
Blogger blasted said...

Sword, Quite an OUTSTANDING blog, cant wait for the rest!
There is still much to decipher from your initial comments..
Hopefully, I can get my comments/questions together as it progresses.
I do hope you elaborate greatly, further, fullest :) on what you KNOW.
We can speculate all day here but time is.. well.. important.
If you are writing/sharing from your religious teachings, can you explain why yours would be deemed more corrct
in your eyes, versus any others?

Some descriptions of the event(s) we've been fed/taught are quite lame and really need to be elaborated on.
Specifically:
2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
Well WHY?? What did they ALREADY know/expect? Obviously, something BIG.
They REJOICED. Obviously something GOOD/desireable.

2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with
Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had
opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and
frankincense and myrrh

FEll down and worshipped..?
I don't think many understand exactly WHAT this means. Taken verbatum, the mind's eye presents quite a 'strange' scene.

They opened their treasures..?
This implies much more than is ever revealed. monatomic gold??
and why incence? was there an alien odor to conceal? or just maybe they stunk from spending 6 hot days with camels? lol..

Would you let 3 (stinking to high heaven) unknown fellows in, unannounced, to see your new wife and child? Gifts or not? This would imply they knew/expected the wise guys to show up with essentials.??


anon stuff..
fwiw, IMO:
Science IS Religion, Religion IS Science. Two branches of same trunk.
Science and religion are tidally locked :) and science came first.
Note that the Sumerian astronomer-priests where first and foremost ASTRONOMERS, then priests.
This seems to hold true with all ancient peoples. Usually do not see them referred to as Priest-Astronomers.
This holds true for the 3 wise guys as well. They were SCIENCE geeks, with some *very* special talents, interests, GIFTS.
Science (observation) came first with all it's mental gymnastics and the explanation of that science to the
masses in more understandable terms, became the 'religion', 'rituals' = 'procedures'.. etc.
and all downhill from there... as greed, power etc. took hold.

This struck me many years ago when a grade school science teacher was trying to explain something
to me and I was just not getting it. He way simplified his scientific explanation for me.
I then got the point/idea that way, never having to digest his original 'science' jargon.
While I understood somewhat, I would never be able to do the 'science' with his explanation.
I then explained it to another student, who told another..lol.. this last poor student was hopelessly
lost to the original science behind it all.. but felt good that he 'understood' and went on his way..




and on another note;
Quite an interesting choice of name, for a Science project.. I would say..
TRUTH in plain sight! (or site actually..)
Project Wormwood

"The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water - the name of the star is Wormwood."
Revelation 8:10-11

hmm.. how does Hale Bopp fit into this, if at all?
Precurser maybe? First alert? BS?

peace

12/13/2005 06:29:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

sanctioning an attack on the Pentagon (or even just THINKING about attacking the Pentagon) makes me feel very uneasy

You know you could just draft Congresscritters kids to fight over d'ere.
You could count them on a single hand!!
We make our own luck. Don't do something foolish and get yourself killed !
Trust no one - not even me !

You are too young and sensitive for these things (unless you play hockey and like smashing into people)

12/13/2005 07:12:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Prepare the Way of the Lord

Or Not

12/13/2005 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

You just can't keep compounding liquid wealth (that competes with gold) that has overgrown the limits of gold, even if you pretend that gold does not exist. Because other people may not choose to live in fantasy land, and because gold does exist, and because other people (that you may do business with) will choose gold, such as all of Asia.

Rome will never be a Republic again. I rose through the ranks and cannot afford Republican sentiments.

12/13/2005 07:46:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

SO much good dialoguing! Much to catch up on at this early hour.

Firstly: Blasted2, welcome back! seems to me a while since I last saw your fine contributions.

And looky that!!! PROJECT WORMWOOD
http://www.ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/neo/des/overview.htm

Thank you very much for that puzzle piece, Blasted2!!

More later fellow crew, horses must get out to welcome the sun rise.

12/13/2005 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Hi all...

Interesting article on space.com ...

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/051213_dark_matter.html

SOHO's still got that CCD bakeout...

Biological_unit said...

"You are too young and sensitive for these things (unless you play hockey and like smashing into people)"

I'm assuming you're talking about me. I'm 21, which I don't consider as "young". You got the sensitive part right. I don't play hockey, but I do play "NBA Street V3", and it can get violent at times. As for smashing into people, I just load up "GTA: San Andreas" (MINUS the "Hot Coffee" mod) if I wanna do that...

John

12/13/2005 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Anonymous said...
I am deeply dismayed about how we have bastardized the original Enterprise Mission from one of cuting edge technical prowess and pursuit of disclosure of useful and coveted technology to an all out group hug and binge on religious iconography and zeal.

Anonymous said...
Scientific *FACT* and cold, hard, unadulterated TRUTH is never open to interpretation. Go outside, it is cold and snowing -- that is FACT; provable, concrete, irrefutable demonstrable FACT! It cannot be denied or misinterpreted that. We need the same evidence or else this whole thing floats like a lead brick

Then Anonymous said...(in separate post)
But wasn't it science that helped clarify some of the religious teachings and corrected some incorrect views from a rudimentary technical basis. Science is also instumental in helping to prove/disprove some religious events.

KB4K says...so which is it? Maybe if you signed your comments they wouldnt look to the reader like they were from two different people.

Since Unadulterated TRUTH is never open to interpretation, what is the truth. Please clue us in, since that is what we are searching for and if it is not open to interpretation, you must be in possession of it.

Fact - a belief that is proven
Belief - an idea that has yet to be proven

What kind of researchers/explorers would we be if we only dealt with what we know? Is it not the purpose of our existence to search for the truth, to prove ideas to be true or untrue?

I guess if we are only dealing in the FACTS, that which we already know, then HD technology does not /can not exist. No sense in looking for something that simply cant be there. Oh my, if good old Chris hadnt searched for something that wasnt there, he never would have gotten credit for finding the Americas. If Pastuer hadnt searched, she never would have found Penicillin in that foul stuff called MOLD.

KJV may not be fact, but like all books written to lead the masses, there is some truth within. After reading the ancient Sumerian tablets last night, I find this discussion even more fascinating.

And my best seller is called: Surviving an Apocolypse in Modern Society. Soon to be on sale at a bookstore near you for $19.95. But you, Anon, can get it for the dirt cheap price of $199.95. ;)

Wow, I rarely get so worked up about comments, but this one just ticks me off. I mean, why bother to bash our discussion if you're just going to turn around and contradict yourself? I have yet to state a religious belief on this blog. I believe I have only said I have my own spiritual beliefs, that I have an aversion to organized religion. If that means i live by faith alone, so what! I have faith that my husband will still be alive in the morning. I have faith that my kids will walk through the door every day after school. I have faith that I can sell enough product to pay our bills this month. Yes I have a WHOLE lot of faith, and so far it has not let me down.

I have faith that Swords next two articles are going to explain how the 3 wise guys are astronomers, how the path of a certain celestial body had been plotted and planned and expected, what body it is, why it was early, and where the maji came from and went to. (See any science showing up?) I expect to see many references to ancient texts that shed light on our lowly planets past as well as our future. I expect to finally find out why Sword thinks that the end is nigh. (For the record those are hypothesis, not beliefs. I wouldnt want to get all religious on ya)

Sorry about the length of my rant, just be thankful that I have lots to do today and need to get going before I write 'another' book here! lol

Off to practice TOLERANCE and TEMPER TRAINING.

Nurse Nightingale saying: Keep on keeping on.

12/13/2005 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

Can I get an autographed copy of your book?

12/13/2005 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

John,

21 is young especially when you've never lived out of the house. I was pretty well traveled by 21, had been working 5 years, married with 2 kids, and I like you didn't know shit from shinola.

Bio-unit was referring to an actual sport that requires leaving home not a video game. You will never understand life, truly experience its beauties or find your place in the world as long as you go thru it with tour guides.

12/13/2005 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Monkey Wrench said...

It was a star with a tail, not a comet. The only star in our neighborhood is our sun. And earth moves aroung the star, the star doesnt move around us.

Sheesh
Monkey Wrench

12/13/2005 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

John, about your not seeing any of the coverage about the UK explosions: I saw the coverage for two days. Fox News is almost always on for background noise and they covered it quite exhaustively. I think in your channel surfing, you just managed to miss it everywhere.

As far as the bakeout goes, c'est la vie. Either the images are being kept away from the public, or it really is suffering from the damage it received earlier this year. Go find out. Reasearch it. Find other satellite images to correspond with the missing frames. There are over 800 satellites orbiting our planet, pick one and start there. SEARCH and ye shall FIND. I think that link to the satellites was on the previous blog. Go check it out and then report back. I am curious also, but lack the time today to do it myself. Have fun!

12/13/2005 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Nightstar, would love to send you an autographed copy! :) And thanks for the giggle. I needed it!

12/13/2005 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Krazyby4kids,

you said:....Sorry about the length of my rant, just be thankful that I have lots to do today and need to get going before I write 'another' book here! lol

Off to practice TOLERANCE and TEMPER TRAINING.

Nurse Nightingale saying: Keep on keeping on.

12/13/2005 09:24:44 AM

IonTruO2--> Let er flow lady!! Like a pebble in our shoe they can be useful for cracking open our voice to communciate with authenticity. YES!

P.S. I owe you an email reply Krazy.sweet.heart, sorry, my hotmail is troublesome with my fussy firewall. Back to you on that soon. ..and I appreciate your amazement! True synchrony of LOVE.
re:
Ion - How well you express what is on my mind. You never cease to amaze me.
12/12/2005 11:34:38 PM

12/13/2005 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Monkey Wrench said...

No two stars will ever get close to each other just as no two similar signs (++) (--) will ever get close to each other.

Monkey Wrench

12/13/2005 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Thanks Ion. My best virtue is patience. I'll be back late afternoon/evening. Hey, before I go...do you have any experience with wild horses?

Catch ya on the flip side. (Wow is that one old or what?!)

12/13/2005 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

For the crowd not in the know, it must have been a real bummer for Soho to be "Baked Out" on the special of occassion of the 10th Anniversary, Dec.2nd, and as John is reminding, still "not available" or functioning at December 13,2005.

at: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/
"Ten years of operation without a single service or tune-up is no piece of cake for a spacecraft. As anyone who has operated scientific instruments in a lab will know, it's amazing how many things can go wrong, requiring some form of intervention or repair."

ion-->Ya O.k.?!! ;)
YA gotta turn it on! or perhaps plug it back in! Someone must have bumped the console during the party on the 2nd! Those krazy techies! Ya thats it..!
lol :) Nothing to see here! move along..Look at the "other" pretty pictures of the sun instead. NOT.

12/13/2005 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Monkey Wrench said...
No two stars will ever get close to each other just as no two similar signs (++) (--) will ever get close to each other.

KB4K says (head cocked, face crinkled in deep thought)...
No two stars...not stars...similar signs.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Must let that one roll around up there. Something in that... what was it? Hmmmmmmm

12/13/2005 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Metaphor, Allegory, Parable

DUH????!!!!

Too deep to make an impact.

12/13/2005 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Krazyby4kids,
you said:...do you have any experience with wild horses?

Yes! My wife! ba bom! drum snare lol :)

Wild, young or unbroke?
I talk to them pretty well, but I don't break them for saddle. I teach them pretty good ground manners though!

12/13/2005 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Interesting comments from all and thanks, as always, for the kind words...I am honored to serve the 'crewe'.

Anonymous,
I hear what you are saying, and I considered such when going over sword's rough draft. But considereing the season, current world events and the fact that while I don't agree with any organized religion nor do I consider the Bible to be the 'inerrant word of Gaaawd', I DO think that there are tons of history and truth in the book. Inasmuch as the 'star of crossing' theme has scientific overtones to it, I made the decision to go with Sword's guest blog. Did not RCH publish a CD called 'God, ET and Man'?

I believe it all ties in...somewhere, somehow.

Would you like to submit a guest blog?


John,
How could you NOT have seen the oil fires in the UK on TV. Not today so much...old news, now. But it was on, bigtime. Now, quit making such a big deal over yourself not seeing it.

12/13/2005 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

Sword writes a good blog and a story that puts me on the edge of my seat. However, I cannot but wonder why so much effort is put into trying to find a purely astronomical symbolism (I think this is where he's headed) in the Star of Bethlehem and the birth of Jesus Christ, as opposed to accepting what the most reliable ancient documents tell us about who he was and why he came ? One can find similar trends from numerous modern liberal "theologians". Could it be that the fallen nature of human kind drives us away from the what Christ offers and the challenge he presents to us to change the way we live ?
I have no doubt that there is some fascinating astronomical phenomenon involved here. I tend to think it may be a combination of the beginning of a Great Year (Pices) synchronized to a triple conjunction of planets or even Sword's "Star of Crossing". But once we find that answer, of what real significance will it be then ? We will have simply found some mechanical rationalization for getting around responding to the main event,that being who Christ was and is and who he wants us to be !

12/13/2005 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Hello all,

Boy, it is quiet in here today. Thinking about what was "fact" years ago and what is "fact" today...if there had been blog entries way back when, imagine what the blog entries would have been. And future blogs (years from now)...what will they be saying about what we believe to be "facts" today? I imagine it would have been and will be very interesting reading! Would love to have been a spider on the wall back then and in the future.

Spider

12/13/2005 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger noname said...

TB2012 wrote We will have simply found some mechanical rationalization for getting around responding to the main event,that being who Christ was and is and who he wants us to be !

I think, not specifically referring to this information from Sword .. but in general .. that staying open to all input, new interpretations, new ways of looking at events past & present .. it is this that will help us understand who Christ was & is, and who he wants us to be...

The original message was distorted & manipulated by people & time and that is why so many people reject it (often vehemently) today .. and they throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.

We who are seeking truth at all levels in this forum should be open to whatever will help us uncover that truth.

Sword is part of that, RCH is part of that, we are all part of that. The only obstacle would be a closed mind that believes it already has all the answers.
(like .. maybe a science-worshipper who only kneels at the altar of FACTS)
**couldn't resist that** if anon is still lurking...

12/13/2005 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger noname said...

spider wrote: Would love to have been a spider on the wall back then and in the future.


Who knows, spider ... maybe you are :-)))

12/13/2005 12:31:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

thunderbolt,
I hear what you're saying but I think were this is going is to make a point about what that star was and how it is going to affect our future. Sorry about the run on. At least, that is where I feel like he's going. I find it intriguing that it is the Star of Crossing. But i do understand your point about the change humanity needs to make.

Wayne

12/13/2005 12:31:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Wouldn't that be a something! LOL

12/13/2005 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Far too often in these recent of days and years the so-called Facts of the science dogma are being reutinely tossed on their head.
Just our little effort here has shown concrete examples already out there of technologies that are in breach of the science rigidity and physics laws as they are still peddling them and puting into print.
As Richard Hoagland had started to post on the main Blog, the model has been intentionally "messed with" and a large gap of understanding was omitted.
WE have seen the patents and the experiments and the correspondence of well lettered academics showing anti-gravity and scalar EM effects and warp drive engines, and weather control and on and on...parallel space missions(i.e.Titan rockets) that were demonstrating projects that were still in future development for the common science crowd.

So it dismays me to still be seeing anon comments about the great scientific facts that are trying so hard to be absolute and in Fact aren't, Never were, and will continue to be reworked, for we don't really know shit about any.thing.

12/13/2005 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

The "facts" are ever evolving...kind of like your blog pics! :) I like this one and the one before.

12/13/2005 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

IonTruO2 ,
Why don't you just put your smiling face back up there ?

12/13/2005 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

An excellent paper on the Star of Bethlehem, the birth of Jesus and what the star was. Definitely well worth the read with a very well laid out argument and is well sourced.

Paper

12/13/2005 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger bryansail said...

History of CCD bakeouts;

Action Date and Time (UT) Duration
Heater on 1996 May 23 19:21 45 hr
Heater off 1996 May 25 16:37
Heater on 1996 Jun 23 19:10 24 hr
Heater off 1996 Jun 24 18:48
Heater on 1996 Jul 23 15:48 2.5 hr
Heater off 1996 Jul 23 18:26
Heater on 1996 Aug 05 18:50 15 hr
Heater off 1996 Aug 06 10:00
Heater on 1996 Aug 09 15:05 71.5 hr
Heater off 1996 Aug 12 13:31
Heater on 1996 Sep 06 19:49 236 hr
Heater off 1996 Sep 16 15:43
Heater on 1996 Dec 19 13:14 2.5 hr
Heater off 1996 Dec 19 15:49
Heater on 1997 January 3 21:50 156 hr
Heater off 1997 January 10 10:00
Heater on 1997 February 20 21:57 13 hr
Heater off 1997 February 21 11:00
Heater on 1997 March 21 14:26 70.5 hr
Heater off 1997 March 24 12:56
Heater on 1997 July 18 13:30 210 hr*
Heater off 1997 July 27 20:00
Heater on 1997 November 28 23:00 76.0 hr
Heater off 1997 December 2 03:00
Heater on 1998 March 20 16:35 72.4 hr
Heater off 1998 March 23 16:58
Heater on 1998 April 10 22:00 72.0 hr
Heater off 1998 April 13 22:00
Heater on 1998 June 18 21:58 81.9 hr
Heater off 1998 June 22 07:51
Heater on 1999 February 4 17:25 17.3 hr
Heater off 1999 February 5 10:45
Heater on 1999 May 22 15:20 37.7 hr
Heater off 1999 May 24 05:00
Heater on 1999 May 31 13:30 18.5 hr
Heater off 1999 June 01 08:00
Heater on 1999 October 8 20:23 83.6 hr
Heater off 1999 October 12 08:00
Heater on 1999 October 29 21:41 65.3 hr
Heater off 1999 November 1 15:00
Heater on 2000 February 04 21:00 37 hr
Heater off 2000 February 06 10:00
Heater on 2000 June 17 03:49 76.2 hr
Heater off 2000 June 20 08:00
Heater on 2001 February 16 22:06 91.5 hr
Heater off 2001 February 20 17:30
Heater on 2001 May 10 22:54 84.1 hr
Heater off 2001 May 14 11:00
Heater on 2001 June 15 21:00 64.0 hr
Heater off 2001 June 18 13:00
Heater on 2001 August 31 16:00 90.0 hr
Heater off 2001 September 4 10:00
Heater on 2001 November 3 19:00 48.3 hr
Heater off 2001 November 5 19:22
Heater on 2002 January 11 23:05 68.0 hr
Heater off 2002 January 14 10:00
Heater on 2002 March 30 03:30 78.5 hr
Heater off 2002 April 2 10:00
Heater on 2002 June 15 03:36 81.4 hr
Heater off 2002 June 18 13:00
Heater on 2002 August 30 23:46 83.0 hr
Heater off 2002 September 3 11:00
Heater on 2002 November 14 19:06 86.9 hr
Heater off 2002 November 18 10:00
Heater on 2003 February 1 02:00 56.0 hr
Heater off 2003 February 3 10:00
Heater on 2003 April 19 02:00 82.0 hr
Heater off 2003 April 22 12:00
Heater on 2003 June 25 00:00 193 hr
Heater off 2003 July 3 01:00
Heater on 2003 September 26 03:35 168.5 hr
Heater off 2003 October 3 08:00
Heater on 2003 December 26 22:18 251.7 hr
Heater off 2004 January 6 10:00
Heater on 2004 March 18 03:00 415 hr
Heater off 2004 April 4 10:00
Heater on 2004 June 15 20:00 446 hr
Heater off 2004 July 4 10:00
Heater on 2004 September 10 22:00 540 hr
Heater off 2004 October 3 10:00
Heater on 2004 December 11 18:47 400 hr
Heater off 2004 December 28 10:00
Heater on 2005 March 11 22:30 467 hr
Heater off 2005 March 31 10:00
Heater on 2005 June 6 21:52 420 hr
Heater off 2005 June 24 10:00
Heater on 2005 September 2 23:00 UT 491 hr
Heater off 2005 September 23 10:00 UT
Heater on 2005 December 2 19:40 UT TBD
Heater off 2005 December 20 10:00 UT

12/13/2005 03:46:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

ion, keep the new pic. it's you.
a peace(pipe) loving man, in tune with nature.

regards.

12/13/2005 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

bubba hyde said...
An excellent paper on the Star of Bethlehem, the birth of Jesus and what the star was. Definitely well worth the read with a very well laid out argument and is well sourced.

Spider--->That was a good read. Several separate events involved regarding the Star of Bethlehem. "the conjunction of 7 BC and the planetary massing of 6 BC, alerted the Magi to the coming birth, but they did not set out until the 5 BC comet appeared in the east, indicating that the birth was imminent."

It will be interesting to read parts 2 and 3 of Sword's theory to see how he brings it all together. There should be some very lively discussion after that.

Spider

12/13/2005 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

What Sword said...
many of you are close to disclosure
RCH yakked when we told him
not to worry until the little birdies fall from the sky

12/13/2005 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

I read the paper linked to by Bubba Hyde and while the author makes a strong case for a comet, I personally still cannot rule out the arrival of a spacecraft mistaken for a "natural" celestial object.

12/13/2005 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

Sword,
We need little momentum here.

12/13/2005 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

It's been slow all day long.

12/13/2005 09:55:00 PM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Bubba, you got that right. Usually when I am gone all day, it takes me over an hour to catch up.

I think there is something else Sword wants us to figure out before we get the next blog. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what it is? How about the name of the Star of Crossing?

12/13/2005 10:06:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Well, I know he said he'd be commenting soon on all the entries. Of course, that was last night. :)

12/13/2005 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger DCAG said...

Strange new object found at edge of solar system:

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn8455

12/13/2005 10:26:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Does anyone really think the Three Wise Men were guided by a star alone ?

I have a tough time believing they had astronomical charts (to tell them something was unusual in the sky) ... but no terrestrial charts.

If they had terrestrial charts, what did they look like ? Think they would use the same projection to chart what was down that they used to chart what was up ?

According to the prevailing opinions of mystery guides (too many to list) ancient maps look like National Geographic maps.

In fact, the well-connected ones (whose political neutrality is in question) have the greed and ego to write big thick (fluffy) books to pretend they are an authority on the history of maps ... without ever presenting a primary source document because they have never taken a class on the subject. But I digress ...

If history is history by majority rule, this is the part where the majority (or their leaders) should step forward and present their case. Anyone want to defend what historians call "truth" based on popular belief and planted delusions ?

From the times I've raised the subject, ancient maps is STILL a dead issue because not enough mystery guides are talking about them. Hmmm ... would there even BE a mystery guide industry without the suppression of ancient maps ? The Star of Bethlehem and the Three Wise Men seems like a perfect time for someone to step forward and defend the majority view : perhaps one of the Mystery Guides can disabuse the Dry Dock Bloggers of my fringe views ? Or, one of the Hollywood censor-writers who call themselves cryptosemioticians. The stars of British Imperialism and the leaders of the Admiralty are long since buried ... so, perhaps the (protesting and non-protesting) leaders of the Roman Catholic Church can enlighten us.

12/13/2005 10:27:00 PM  
Blogger noname said...

Good read, bubba ... I still have to finish it. But further to a previous discussion about Christmas and should it even be a holiday, here is a good arguement for cancelling Christmas as a public holiday, replace it with "Mid Winter Spending Madness Day" or some such .. and then put the celebration of Jesus' birth closer to when it actually occurred (it is accepted among bible scholars that He was born in the Spring):
The evidence points to Jesus being bom in the period 9 March-4 May, 5 BC, probably around Passover time: 13-27 April, 5 BC. Birth in the spring is consistent with the account in Luke that there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby keeping watch over their flock by night. Birth in 5 BC also throws light upon the problem of the census of Caesar Augustus. A new chronology of the life of Christ is given which is consistent with the available evidence. This chronology suggests that Christ died close to his 37th birthday.

So Chrismas could be moved to April, closer to Easter & become a religious holiday for the observant, not a public holiday.

How about this-- everyone gets one week a year in addition to regular vacation time that they may take off without penalty (if desired) for "religous or spiritual observances". Christians could have Christmas-Easter in April, Jews could do their most important event, which I think is Passover, Muslims can take off a week during Ramaden, Atheists could have "Science Adoration Week", Native Americans - "Honor the Earth & Sky Week", Buddhists could do "Meditation Week" and so on. To avoid confusion, dates would have to be set by the various organizations or religious groups and you have to choose only one group to observe with in any given year.

Well .. things are quiet here so thought I would throw something out ... discuss amongst yourselves, I am now verklempt...

12/13/2005 11:28:00 PM  
Blogger noname said...

Ha HA .. I got #100 .. take *that*, John...

12/13/2005 11:29:00 PM  
Blogger Sword said...

Tuesday, December 13, 2005
HHMSS
Sword

Well, not so bad for a guy “half awake”.
I would have loved to have some technical drawings and such to show the progression of the star through the night sky – but alas – I am not that good with that sort of thing. To me, reading the words, and scientifically trying to understand the phenomena that is happening, it becomes obvious. The star is really the planet of Summerian fame.
With that realization – everything that Jesus foretold of the coming calamity – makes perfect sense… …
Now I have gone and set myself up to incredibly high standards. I am hoping that my thoughts on the three kings garners as much high praise as this first article.

On to posts:

Spider818 said...
You had mentioned in an earlier blog about the return every 2500 years or so. I had wondered why it was expected back so soon if it were truly a 2500 year or so orbit. You do mention in your blog that it had arrived early, so I'm curious as to how that applies to its next visit and, of course, to the rest of your story.

Sword:
As is mentioned further along below – there is other reasearch that states that this ringed planet arrived every 3600 years – now where down to 2500. Anyone care to throw out a guess as to why? True elliptical orbits, OVAL orbits, will eventually degrad when the orbiting body approces closer to the sun. In a way the gravity pinches the oval more flat, and elongates the orbit… The body present in this orbit will speed up – cracking the whip so to speak…tick tock tick tock…


starshipconstellation said...
Did any of the records Herod's scribes, priests and astrologers use to calculate the arrival of the Star survive to be found in the public domain of today? But I have a feeling that the records are safely stashed away from our inquiring eyes.

Sword:
Sure – but unburying the information will prove to be exhausting. The references that Sitchen sites for his research is a great place to start.


Wayne said...
The fact that it arrived early, is that because of the breakup of the planet or that is precessing in it's orbit so that it will continually arrive earlier? In that it moves E to W, does that make it's orbit within our system retrograde to ours? (I am not very good on that)

Sword:
The brake-up is rather recent. The fact that it resembled a comet the last time around –with the coming of Jesus – is a precursor. Basically we had a atmosphere bearing planetoid moving do fast that is speed and friction against the solar winds started stripping it of its atmosphere.

Wayne said...
How is the orbital time known? Another researcher has reported 3600 years, you are reporting 2500. Where does this information come from? We've already found and measured the Star of Crossing, haven't we.

Sword:
Yes – we “know” where it is. I really wish I had Sitchen’s work handy but I don’t. The reason is, in his early findings he was reporting that the earliest records he could find of this star of crossing was that it would arrive every 3600 years. The funny thing is, nuances being what they are – even in his first book – he starts to report of the “newer” records as staring every 2500 years. HOWEVER – he doesn’t make a big deal out of it – as if we should just “get it” – or – as if he wants to tell us, but doesn’t want to make a big deal out of it and sound like an alarmist.

Wayne said...
Sitchen could or wouldn't ever give exact dates as they related to his research and Nibiru.

Sword:
It’s a hard thing to catch, the dates. He really doesn’t make a big deal out of it. He doesn’t even really address it at all.
The amazing thing I find is the fact that we go from 3600 years starting as early as “creation” to the 2500 years before Jesus – to the now SITRO 2000 years.
Tens of thousands of years (or more) of this recorded event, the star on the birth of Jesus, Jesus foretelling of “falling stars” and still – “Oh, that’s just a bunch of bullshit!”


IonTruO2 said...
Does comet=debris field? This is where I am getting a little fuzzy.

Sword:
Appeared as a comet…
The star of crossing previously was depicted as a winged planet – and sometimes as a “tailed” object – but this I am most certain was to imply speed, movement. I remember a reference to the star of crossing looking like a comet this last time around – but I can’t find it.
So no, not a comet, the same planetoid I have always been talking about – that ended up looking like a comet as its atmosphere was stripped and it broke up. Oddly enough, this reference I am thinking of comes form Japan? … … China?


crypt0 said...
Would a passing planet be tidally locked to the center of landmass on Earth ?
Wouldn't it also cause the sundials to change (as was reported in the bible)

Sword:
I would love a link to that, that is – the sundials changing.


blasted2 said...
Some descriptions of the event(s) we've been fed/taught are quite lame and really need to be elaborated on. Specifically: 2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. Well WHY?? What did they ALREADY know/expect? Obviously, something BIG.
They REJOICED. Obviously something GOOD/desireable.

Sword:
Consider this.
You’re a astronomer in the days of herod. You come from a elite caste of highly educated and highly knowledgeable group. You learn about the star of crossing – and realize that indeed – it is a once in a life time event. Problem is – the star is slated to show up just after your natural life is over.
BUT WAIT!
There it is!
Rejoice – Rejoice – Rejoice!
Well get into that in Part Two


Sword

12/13/2005 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol at nightstar, I get 101? Might be looking at some increased traffic, I am posting invites at craigslists from
all around the planet (we need every viewpoint) If you're curious just google craigslist, I am posting the invites
at these forum/post sections: science, astronomy, health and healing, philosophy and politics (oh,oh)
The invite I'm sending out has a hotlink directly to drydock -Bryan (*_*)

12/13/2005 11:50:00 PM  
Blogger bryansail said...

103 !

12/13/2005 11:50:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Hi all...

Well, I can put the "Did a 757 crash into the Pentagon or not?" debate to rest. My dad cleared everything up for me. The reason that not a lot of debris was seen around the crash site was that the plane shattered. Oh there were pieces, but they were very small (remember, we're talking about a LOT of kinetic energy). Also, my dad said they recovered the engines from the Pentagon...


John

12/14/2005 12:04:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Oh, yeah. The mystery of the SOHO CCD bakeout is solved. My dad told me that the bakeout is for cleaning purposes (think of the "clean" setting on an oven) so it's not a malfunction...

John

12/14/2005 12:06:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

It's known as The Long Day of Joshua ... and the first link I found that contained math instead of text STILL expects us to trust. Organized religion promotes belief in believing rather than a doctrine.

http://www.trustbible.com/planetx.htm

I think a passing planet would lock onto the Earth and affect rotation. I sense that it would either hook on to the geographical center of landmass - or its antipode, which is the center of water.

12/14/2005 12:06:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

looks like Dad has all the answers to everything....

12/14/2005 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

The only thing I know for sure is, I don't have all the answers ... but the next best thing is a few good questions :-)

12/14/2005 12:42:00 AM  
Blogger John said...

Yep, nightstar, he knows lots of things...

12/14/2005 12:44:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

so many questions, so little time.
The meaning of life (I still like this one)
1) to love
2) to learn
3) to try and find out the meaning of life


"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."

-- Albert Einstein

12/14/2005 12:49:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

John said: Yep, nightstar, he knows lots of things...

Only problem .. are the answers correct? I still see a lot of unanswered questions relating to the Pentagon crash .. saying it all disintegrated is a bit simplistic as that is only one piece of evidence. How does he explain the 16' diameter crash area, what about eye witnesses? And just where are those missing engines??

I would be careful taking as gospel the word of one person, even if it is a parent...

12/14/2005 12:54:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

Los Angeles and interior cities Emergency rooms are going to be
full tonight and tomorrow (they were full today as well) any
guesses as to why? (only 3 hints, it is a very controversial
theory at this point, the part about ER's being jam packed full
-6 hour waits common-IS absolutely true now AND will be true
tomorrow and finally nothing to do w/ terrorism, earthquakes)

12/14/2005 12:58:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

EINSTEIN: "There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."


That's a good one .. I choose option 2. :-)

12/14/2005 01:03:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

to follow up nightstar John, Isn't it distressing that
videos showing the plane are not available to you, your father
and me? The one that is available shows what cannot possibly
be a boeing. The video COMBINED with the pentagon ground marks
that you can see from the overhead shot (looking straight down)
do not match and could NOT have been made by a boeing. Soooo
what we have is a cover-up. I've now written my U.S. congressman
and both of my senators with a link to the video and a request
for a new investigation. Hooray also for WTC building #7 being the
first and only steel building to be felled just by fire.

p.s. I eagerly await my form letter responses.
-Bryan

12/14/2005 01:04:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

bryansail said...
Los Angeles and interior cities Emergency rooms are going to be
full tonight and tomorrow (they were full today as well) any
guesses as to why? (only 3 hints, it is a very controversial
theory at this point, the part about ER's being jam packed full
-6 hour waits common-IS absolutely true now AND will be true
tomorrow and finally nothing to do w/ terrorism, earthquakes)

Spider---> Is it the flu?

12/14/2005 01:05:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

>"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."

-- Albert Einstein<

To a simple mind ...
all things are simple

or, my favourite ...

No brain ... No pain
No sense ... No feeling

12/14/2005 01:07:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

well yeah half right actually

the controversial part is that there
was VERY heavy spraying here, trails from planes
(you should have seen how BRIGHT they looked in the sunset, much
more shiny and luminescent than clouds) So, there will
be respiratory issues here, and those w/ COPD will have
aggravation also. Heavy chemtrails = busy ER's
correlation that I have seen (yah I know ancedotal)
here over the last year, I actually GO to ER's on heavy
trail days and talk to employees IN the ER's -Bryan

12/14/2005 01:26:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Spraying never even entered my mind. It's been pretty heavy here lately, too. It's pretty much the norm these days.

12/14/2005 01:34:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Wasn't this Planet X/12th Planet/Star of Crossing supposed to cause a lot of problems as it got closer? I think Sitchin mentioned it causing the Biblical Flood on one of its passes. Anything big happen around the time Christ was born? I've been kind of searching, but haven't come across anything of note yet.

12/14/2005 01:41:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

wow Bryan .. if you can keep good notes on that over some time, I'll bet George Noory would want to interview you....

Coast tonight is promising .. talking about Stitchen, Creationish vs Intelligent Design & other goodies with Llyod Pye. First hour guest is Bev Harris who has been all over voting fraud for years. Apparently Diebold has just resigned which vindicates her theories that their voting machines were defective...

12/14/2005 01:42:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

No chemtrails over this part of Japan since I have been here (3 months). So is it just Americans they are spraying?

12/14/2005 01:43:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

nightstar, note to take notes noted :)
Tomorrow on my lunch will make a visit to one ER, I know a couple of staff there
and can get a census/busy check. Tonight I am STILL seeing the trails above with the light
of the moon. nightstar, I'm listening to coast to Stitchen etc. ,may be good!

Spider, I don't know dates specifically, but deluge/flood information can be found in
archeology from many places on the planet and stories of a great deluge exist in
almost every ancient culture studied (I think I have read in EVERY ancient culture)
Listening to coast and going to craigslists (even in AFRICA!) to put out some invites for
people to come check out this blog.
I am trying to interest those looking for truth, who have a fierce desire to learn and
expand, and also mention that there are a lot of fans of the radio program coast to coast
that are here. I imagine that we are getting views already from some of the craigslist posts
I have made.

Note to newbies, please jump in and make a comment! Signing with a name helps! -Bryan

12/14/2005 01:57:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

nightstar, interesting that you don't have the trails there, you are in
Japan right? I am reading that persistent trailing is occuring
now in 13 different countries! Extensive spraying is seen over
oceans as well. Enjoy the blue skies! The activity here is intermittent,
and had almost completely ceased for months before recently returning.
That pattern -3 months of them not being here- and then re-appearing
is more evidence that there IS a secretive program occuring.
-Bryan

12/14/2005 02:07:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

The weather here is like the kind I knew a long time ago ... skies are blue with normal clouds .. or some days it is completely overcast. I am in Yokosuka, about 40 miles south of Tokyo on Tokyo Bay (we overlook the bay). Night skies are very clear as well .. although I have seen equally clear night skies in Arizona & New Mexico.

Maybe chemtrails are in targeted areas here? We are sort of in the 'burbs... or ... maybe the Japanese with all their super technology (and it is amazing..) know how to disperse them??

12/14/2005 02:17:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

Loyd Price discussion of the skull is fascinating, VERY unusual.
Heard him before, good stuff. Now he's mentioning that he's blended
his work with Zacharia Sitchens ....
Hardness of bone 2 to 3 times harder. DNA not turning
up in this oddball skull.
mysterious skull

12/14/2005 02:20:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

sorry Lloyd, his name is Lloyd Pye

12/14/2005 02:22:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

Yesterday I posted about a line on a satellite image,
that didn't look normal.
Today there is an earthquake swarm very nearby where
one of those bars was (will look closer). The earthquake
is located near a very active fault area, but one of
the earthquakes is located where
there is no active fault mapped. hmmmmm....

12/14/2005 02:28:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

Bryan, did you save those satellite images? If not, I saved a few. Let me know if you want them.

12/14/2005 02:33:00 AM  
Blogger bryansail said...

I did save a couple, but if its not a problem my email is blesse1@verizon.net

12/14/2005 02:52:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

They're on the way.

12/14/2005 03:05:00 AM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

anyone seen the Mothership's net stats lately? wow!

http://www.enterprisemission.com/advertising.html

12/14/2005 03:44:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Back in the 1980's when VP Bush and Arkansas governor Bill Clinton were major players in the Iran-Contra drug pipeline, US cities such as Los Angeles were flooded with drugs. Money from these drugs was used to fund weapons manufacturers for the Contras in Nicaragua. This was a covert op that was strictly forbidden by US law.

Williams and his Crips associates undoubtedly have/had information that could fry people like Clinton and Bush. How convenient that he is now out of the way and like renegade investigative journalist Gary Webb, unable to expose a very dark side of American politics.

No one is going to tell me that the CIA was NOT connected
to the massive amounts of guns that gangs were able to attain. These guns were a key tool that gangs needed to protect their drug turfs, just like the Mafia. You can say that Williams is much like Saddam Hussein in the sense that after his usefulness and cooperation ended with the US government, he became extremely expendable!

12/14/2005 04:09:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Gangs have roamed America since America got here. Gangs in uniforms wiped out the Indians. Nobody went to jail for that. Gangs brought black men in chains from Africa. Nobody went to jail for that. Gang bosses machine-gunned miners and burned their children in their tents. Gangs have always been here. Don't talk to me about how Tookie formed a gang and then the gang killed thousands and thousands of people and how he wouldn't get down on his knees and suck the great state of California's dick and say, "Massa, massa dis po nigga did rong." Fuck the great state of California and Arnolt too, for that matter. If he didn't kill those people he doesn't need to say so. He doesn't need to keep repentin' and 'pologizin and bowing and scrapin and "Load! Load! plezz doan let me die hea in dis col col jail. I'ze be a goooood nigga now."

12/14/2005 04:31:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Screech . . the sound of the blog grinding on the rocks and nasty bits of jagged rusty steel that is REALITY (and not Faux and "daddy said")

I would like to make a Shout out to a former Bulldog who scored his first NHL goal pour le glorieux Montreal Canadiens - Russian kid Kostitsyn (a skinny guy who will thicken out in the years to come to resemble your humble narrator)

12/14/2005 04:48:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Correction - pour les glorieux

We got wind from the east. That means beaucoup de neige. It's a cycle

12/14/2005 05:07:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

Biological_Unit said...
> Gangs have roamed America since America got here.<

The church had a problem elevating Christopher Columbus because European nobles didn't want to share the power of title - so, in 1492, a new level of nobility was created and DON Christopher Columbus set sail for India - oops, the New World - with his terms : Governor of the new colonies, 15% commission and Admiral for life.

12/14/2005 05:36:00 AM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

The ghetto was not a very nice place to live before crack cocaine. It's the only way the ruling elites could de-couple the poor - by planting drugs in the ghettos. A wedge was driven between big city poor and small town & rural poor. Divide and conquer !!

Biological_Unit ... I enjoy your injection of chaos - its sobering ! Are you in Montreal ? Or a Habs fan living near Montreal ? I was at the old Forum many times between 75 and 85, but I have never been to the Molson Centre.

12/14/2005 05:58:00 AM  
Blogger Biological_Unit said...

Hamilton Bulldog feeder team for Mont Royal
I go dere in the summer for Jazz fest

12/14/2005 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger ob-2 said...

NightStar said...
No chemtrails over this part of Japan since I have been here (3 months). So is it just Americans they are spraying?

12/14/2005 01:43:42 AM

Normally in this part of Spain there's chemtrails for like 4-5 days a week.
Today the sky looks in a geometrical grid pattern cloud, last night they sprayed hard in here. So couriously a lot of people are getting sick at the same time.
But what is more courious to me is that people doesn't even seem to realize this clouds may not be natural at all.
They're too busy even to look up, i guess.

12/14/2005 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger SSL4000G said...

sword,
You have made some corraboration with Sitchen's research. Does it have a retrograde orbit as was descibed in The 12th Planet?
And, if I understand the elliptical orbit breakdown correctly ; the focal point of that orbit and the gravity fields that the planet must move through, and the fact that it has a retrograde orbit and all together to disrupt and degrade that orbit, correct?
The planets name is Ni-bi-ru in ancient Sumerian/Akkadian. I know we know where it is, I anticipate that it will cause the same global problems (i.e.; quakes, meteor showers and impacts) as the ancients state happened when the thing came through town. They always rejoiced in Sumer as the Planet of Crossing appeared and made it's way through the sky. The home of An/Anu, home of the Annunaki. I wonder where they have gone if their world has disintegrated?
Your point re; finding the planet arriving in your lifetime is interesting. Sheds a whole new light on things. :) I follow you sword.
One other thing, that planet still comes into our system from below the ecliptic, at about 30* and moves through the space occupied by the asteroid belt, correct? Retrograde, correct? The orbit would kind of look like the representation of Iapetus' orbit on RCH MWAview page, correct?

spider818, bryansail;
We've had 99% blue clear skies here the lst couple of days. IT has also been very cold, overnight low last night around 10*. Isn't kb4k in NE OH? She should have the same weather. kb4k, blue, clear and cold?
They must spray different stuff in your neck of the woods or those mountains are concentrating whatever that stuf is as is descends to ground level. Either way, not good. :(

spider818 said;
Wasn't this Planet X/12th Planet/Star of Crossing supposed to cause a lot of problems as it got closer? I think Sitchin mentioned it causing the Biblical Flood on one of its passes. Anything big happen around the time Christ was born? I've been kind of searching, but haven't come across anything of note yet.

12/14/2005 01:41:20 AM

Awesome question, I never thought of asking that!

Crew, I've read some of Pye's stuff and for the most part he was a Sitchen echo. I really didn't get anything new out of his book "Everything You Know Is Wrong" (I may have that wrong), just Sitchen substantiation and giant ape justification of existence. His work on that skull was very interesting and I respect his tenacity in trying to have it studied. Any word on the DNA analysis he was having done, the starchild site wasn't updated last time I was there? IMO.


ob-2,
I think people are that ignorant. I pointed the trails out to a friend of mine that just moved here from Europe. He saw the trails before, but almost fell apart when I described what they were and why they're there. fwiw


Wayne

12/14/2005 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pentagon

12/14/2005 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wayne, The mountains here do trap particulates, yesterday was thick...air you can chew.
Same thing here, people don't notice the 'clouds' here either.
spider thanks for the e-mail, I'm going to check coordinates see if they're the same.

12/14/2005 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Hi everyone,
Life got a little busy, its amazing what one can miss when away from this excellent Blog for a short time. Excuse me if I miss the odd reply, just nudge me again please.

Spider818, Hello
you said...

The "facts" are ever evolving...kind of like your blog pics! :) I like this one and the one before.
12/13/2005 12:52:37 PM


Thunderbolt 2012,
you said...
IonTruO2 ,
Why don't you just put your smiling face back up there ?
12/13/2005 02:25:03 PM

other side of the pacific, hello
you said...
ion, keep the new pic. it's you.
a peace(pipe) loving man, in tune with nature.

IonTruO2--> O.k. now I'm briefly confused! Thanks for your thoughts on my pics, everyone.
The first one was a special little antique I was graced to find in an old log homestead I was in the process of purifying and clearing of years of junk and neglect. I posted it as an image OT to companion with SWORD's fine guest Blog. I frankly found it a bit Too Powerful to perhaps keep as a personal image, even on my desk here it is a strong icon.

thunderbolt2012-I hear you brother, nice to have you still with us. I've read all your good stuff, and I will stay tuned to your contributions. Thanks for your encouragement. I could repost my "smil'in face" if no one is weary of it. :)

other side of the pacific, Thanks! Kind words, dear friend, I liked that image in deeper ways, and wanted to get a little away from an image all about ME, Myself and I. :)

spider818, you started this! Thanks for your input, I'm bashfully flattered.

Now to get on to reading and catching up on everyone's dialogue.

Perhaps if it serves simply for easy recognition, I will heed Thunderbolt2012's advice soon.

Though I offer a nod to Native SWORD and Herbalist Jasgrave333! Love you guys. Ya keep me smiling.
Best comedic wise men I ever met.

Peace friends, I'll jump in a little later.

12/14/2005 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Good Morning Crew-

RE: chemtrails. I have been noticing them with great frequency lateley- and my 5 yr old has had a horrible cough for 2 months. Been to the Dr twice, 2 rounds of antibiotics to no avail. Now he says its "viral". I'm not sick and no one in the house is either-viral my ass.
I think its the chemtrails now.
The clouds for the last month have been that scalar type that Scott Stevens shows.
The interesting thing about the 5 yr old is that I have been told, that he's a Crystal Child and can be sensitive to enviromental changes- its why Im leaning toward the chem trail diagnosis of my own.
I'll keep taking him to the Dr. till it clears up- but i think its gonna be a long winter for him and this cough.

Spider and NS: Ladies, thanks for holding down the girl part of the fort:) I'm so happy to see y'all as regulars now.

The whole Dec 10th thing proved to be quite a bust eh? Good. it gives me hope NOT to believe in too many prophecies.

ANYHOO:
That's all from not so sunny FLA.

Good day all

12/14/2005 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

They don't need to spray if the rooves on houses are covered with snow.. This might be an indicator that the invisible star of crossing is just around the left hand rule.

http://www.enidnews.com/enidnews/homepage/local_story_347005144

12/14/2005 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Actually Scar the whole Dec. 10 thing was bang on. The largest fire in Europe since the great fire of London (my opinion) of 1555. And it happened in Jas' home town.. and his dad was a firefighter in that town..just recently retired from that job.. I think the synchronicity is worth one pair of birkenstocks and a partridge in a pear tree.

12/14/2005 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger KrazyBy4Kids said...

Hi all, I've been reading a very interesting paper that cites ALL sources regarding Comet Impact Predictions. It is extremely detailed and supports Swords theories (revealed and yet to be revealed). A definate must read, and I haven't even finished it yet. I dont recall seeing this posted here before, but if someone did and I missed, I am sorry for posting it again, but sure am glad I found it.

www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/2000Paper.html

Dec.10, Jas beieved that Dec 10 would be the end of one era and the beginning of another. I think it may be the beginning of the end of the current state of things.

12/14/2005 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

Yesterday on NPR somebody mentioned , rather matter-of-factly,that the N.O. levee was properly constructed and NOT defective. So then, why did it fail? Army Corpse of Engineers has gone back to "re-check" their original calculations - seems a bit late. Maybe they need to "re-check" the calculations for this resevoir in Missouri that just broke.
Crypto, I read something about how the original place of worship for the Hebrews was Mount Gerizim, NOT Jerusalem. My source says (Livio Stecchini) says that the ancient site of Behdet in Egypt, molunt Gerizim and the present site of Mecca(specifically, the KAABA stone with associated ancient pre- Islamic ruins and walls) form a 36-52-90 right triangle, nearly identical to ...guess what... the cross-section of the Giza Great Pyramid ! You might want to check on that.
Nightstar, seeing that everything IS a miracle is indeed the way to live. Coincidence theorists are the ones who believe the government version of 911.
I have e-mailed thunderbolts.info and asked them if there is an "electric universe" version of the Star of Bethlehem. Whatever the Star was, it has to be connected with what the shepards in the field saw (great light, angels) and any explanation needs to take that into account. I am thinking in terms of an atmospheric glowing plasma phenomenon. I have gotten no reply yet.

12/14/2005 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Crypto, Hi

Having just finished reading Uriel's Machine by Knight and Lomas, I found the locations of the global network of "observatories", very specific, in support of what you are aluding to about the map making and greater understanding of the adage "as above, so below".

Would this not suggest that there was a globally mapped understanding being demonstrated in reflection of the cosmos above?

Skara Brae in Scotland was not a very "hospitable" place at all, but its location was highly relevent and they picked it for that reason perhaps based on a map of the greater world already known?

12/14/2005 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger scarletm said...

eric: well, yes, it was a very eerie coincidence about Jas and his connections. The Great Fire of London was in 1666-not that it matters, but thats the correct date for it. It burned most of the city-this one, thankfully did not.
I'm sure they havent had that much soot in a 100 years however!

The 10th was auspicious for me as it was the date that my good friend died- age 50, heart attack out of the blue. Only the good die young.In many ways her passing was the end of an era for me. I'm not sure which I grieve for most.
she will be truly missed in my world.

12/14/2005 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

December 10th WAS a bust. Nothing in his prohecy came to pass. Oh sure you can try and attribute certain events and even place jasgrave in the prophecy as he has already tried to do, including the day he went back to smoking weed and calling himself an annointed one. At some point you have to come back to the verses he posted in his prophecy. Mainly Revelation 9:5-6. It speaks of 5 months of torment. Revelation 9 clearly spells out what happens during the 5 months of torment. None of which happened. You can't go pulling verses and point to them as waypoint events then dismiss the events predicted by the verses. For instance, he uses an overactive hurricane season as part of his prophecy yet Revelation 9:4 clearly states that the Earth, the grass or even a tree could not be harmed.

Do all the gymnastics you like about synchronicity but jasgrave's evidence doesn't jive with the scripture used to prophecy the events.
I believe jasgrave to be sincere in what he believes and have told him so. I just believe him to be wrong.

12/14/2005 11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

Pretty funny, huh? (or NOT!)
I really have to hand it to you, Scarletm, The Onion is a gem.

War on Christmas

12/14/2005 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

scarletm said...

Spider and NS: Ladies, thanks for holding down the girl part of the fort:) I'm so happy to see y'all as regulars now.

Spider---> Glad to see you back. So sorry to hear about your good friend. Yes posting more often it seems, but I am on vacation and have more time to play AND I guess you could say I'm getting a little more comfortable in my "big girl panties". :)

iontru02 said: spider818, you started this! Thanks for your input, I'm bashfully flattered.

Spider----> Yes, I'm afraid I did. :) The Cherokee in me really does like this new pick. Besides, a peacepipe on the blog is a good thing. We may need it soon!

Bryansail...you're welcome. Let me know what you find after doing the comparisons.

Concerning the current blog, I keep seeing statements made concerning that we know where this star is today. Are these statements based on previous comments made by Sword or have I missed something and this info can be found elsewhere.

Spider

12/14/2005 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger noname said...

ericswan said: Actually Scar the whole Dec. 10 thing was bang on. The largest fire in Europe since the great fire of London (my opinion) of 1555. And it happened in Jas' home town.. and his dad was a firefighter in that town..just recently retired from that job.. I think the synchronicity is worth one pair of birkenstocks and a partridge in a pear tree.

kb4k said: Dec.10, Jas beieved that Dec 10 would be the end of one era and the beginning of another. I think it may be the beginning of the end of the current state of things.

I agree with both the above .. the oil explosion in London, while the official explanation is "accidental" and there was (thankfully) no loss of life .. it still was eerily symbolic. And that we had in this tiny blog someone who "predicted" an event on that date & the only qualifying event occurred in his home town .. well, like George Noory, I do not believe in coincidences.

Also my feelings of un-ease, even doom, that were intensifying the past 2 weeks seem to have abated somewhat. I was not particularly 'buying in' to jas's prediction because I don't take anyones predictions seriously unless I know they have a solid track record of accuracy. So I was not unduly influenced by that. But in the 2 weeks prior to 12/10 I was feeling an strong & constantly increasing sense of foreboding.

Then ... nothing happened .. or maybe it did. Some sort of shift took place with me & I feel, not less uneasy, but more able to accept this feeling with a renewed sense of peace & purpose.
The London fires were no big deal .. but they did give us disturbing images of something that could still be coming that *could* be a big deal.

Referencing Art Bell's terminology, I would give Jas a "ding, ding" on this one...

12/14/2005 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

Hi all...

You tell 'em bubba hyde! The 5 months of torment is caused by a plague of demon locust-like things with scorpion tails, and I haven't seen anything CLOSE to that anywhere...

Spider18 said...

"Anything big happen around the time Christ was born? I've been kind of searching, but haven't come across anything of note yet."

Gee let's see here. An angel appears to Mary and tells her she's going to have a child. An angel also appears to her sister, Elizebeth, and tells her that she too will have a child. When Mary tells Elizebeth that she was pregnent, Elizebeth said that her baby jumped for joy inside her. Elizebeth gave birth to John the Baptist, who let people know that the Messiah was coming. When Jesus is born, a star appears to guide the wise men to where He is. And when shephards are out at night tending their flocks, an angel appears and lets them know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, then the sky fills with angels who are praising God. Other than those wonderous and miraculous things, no, nothing big happened...

NightStar said...
John said: Yep, nightstar, he knows lots of things...

Only problem .. are the answers correct? I still see a lot of unanswered questions relating to the Pentagon crash .. saying it all disintegrated is a bit simplistic as that is only one piece of evidence. How does he explain the 16' diameter crash area, what about eye witnesses? And just where are those missing engines??

I would be careful taking as gospel the word of one person, even if it is a parent...


To that, I say this. They took the engines away, and the 16' diameter crash area sounds like the cabin hitting. The wings got ripped to tiny pieces. Remember, this is the PENTAGON we're talking about. It's designed to take a hit. It did more damage to the plane than the plane did to it. I'm talking REINFORCED CONCRETE here, probably hardened against a NUKE BLAST. And each time the plane went through a ring, it lost momentum. The engines were basically the only things that WOULD have survived the crash...

John

12/14/2005 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Spider818 said...

John said...

Spider18 said...

"Anything big happen around the time Christ was born? I've been kind of searching, but haven't come across anything of note yet."

Gee let's see here. An angel appears to Mary and tells her she's going to have a child. An angel also appears to her sister, Elizebeth, and tells her that she too will have a child. When Mary tells Elizebeth that she was pregnent, Elizebeth said that her baby jumped for joy inside her. Elizebeth gave birth to John the Baptist, who let people know that the Messiah was coming. When Jesus is born, a star appears to guide the wise men to where He is. And when shephards are out at night tending their flocks, an angel appears and lets them know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, then the sky fills with angels who are praising God. Other than those wonderous and miraculous things, no, nothing big happened...

Spider--->John, you missed my point or didn't read my entire comment. I was speaking of floods, earthquakes, climate changes, droughts...Earth changes that this star is supposed to cause as it nears Earth.

Spider

12/14/2005 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I have to disagree with the boys. An inky cloud of soot is presently drifting over France and has reached Spain. The consequences of that extra load of CO2 on an already crippled ionosphere could be an impetus..read timeline...for scorpions with stingers..(locusts block out the sun too)I don't mind if you don't get my drift. To quote Nightstar (here's an old one)
"You've been told".

12/14/2005 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

ericswan,

I get your drift and so that you get mine, Jasgrave is wrong. I hate being a naysayer but sometimes you have to be. My study of his prohecy shows it to be WRONG. I should have said so earlier but I didn't because I had no desire to start a fight but in all good conscience, I cannot sit back and not say anything. I believe the truth to be that important. Whether you accept it or not is up to you.

12/14/2005 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger noname said...

Spider--->John, you missed my point or didn't read my entire comment. I was speaking of floods, earthquakes, climate changes, droughts...Earth changes that this star is supposed to cause as it nears Earth.

yeah, he has been missing a lot of points lately .. I think I am returning to my original theory that he is not a 'kid' but from NSA or BI ... as said before, no one could be that.....

'nuff said.

:-))))


ericswan .. wow, did not realize black cloud was moving across Europe. Talk about a visual....

12/14/2005 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous the other side of the pacific said...

>John said "To that, I say this. They took the engines away, and the 16' diameter crash area sounds like the cabin hitting. The wings got ripped to tiny pieces. Remember, this is the PENTAGON we're talking about. It's designed to take a hit. It did more damage to the plane than the plane did to it. I'm talking REINFORCED CONCRETE here, probably hardened against a NUKE BLAST. And each time the plane went through a ring, it lost momentum. The engines were basically the only things that WOULD have survived the crash..."

ROTFLMAO!!
Enough already!! :D

(In stern voice:) Richard Hoagland, stop this charade!

Please de-cloak yourself Captain! I'm laughing till my sides hurt. It's pure crap, sir, becoz i've worked in N-blast protected areas.

And its 1.40am Dec 15 now....

12/14/2005 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous other side of the pacific said...

(John??)/Captain,

By your "logic", NORAD should have been built above ground, and not in a mountain!!

12/14/2005 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger The Fool said...

Hi All

I have been following RCH's TEM work for a number of years now and I have been captivated by the developments on the Captain's on going BLOG soap opera. So I have decided that it is time to start to contribute to and learn from the dialogue. I'm happy to be aboard.

12/14/2005 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

the fool,

Welcome aboard. :)

12/14/2005 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger The Fool said...

Sword

I enjoyed the guest Blog topic and am looking forward to the final 2 installments. The quest for Truth with a Capital "T" takes one on a number of twists and turns that can, in many cases, destroy the foundations of all that one has built their life on. The hardest thing I ever accomplished in my life was shedding the Christ as Redeemer dogma that had carried me through to that point in my life. It served its purpose for me up to then, but would not moving forward. One has to be able to Let Go of that which is no longer useful. As one learns more, there is much more to Let Go of.

12/14/2005 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger The Fool said...

Thanks Bubba, for the warm welcome.

12/14/2005 01:32:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Welcome, Fool ;)

Please jump in and join the fry. New views are really needed all the time to keep this ship sailing along at normal warp speed.

Eric: i am wondering what the clouds impact on the cold winter forcasted for europe this winter. i imagine it will only exacerbate it. ( al la nuclear winter )
But that said, it's no worse than a volcanic explosion, is it?
Isn't that what they think brought on the mini ice age of the 1500's?

12/14/2005 01:46:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

oops fray...hahaha FRY! LOL more like it sometimes

12/14/2005 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

If the engines were the only parts that could survive, why didn't they pierce the wall, instead of the softer aluminum nose and frame?

How did the (soft) aluminum nose and cockpit of the '757' neatly pierce numerous steel reinforced walls, leaving an exit hole just like the entry hole?
So, if the heavier engines got inside, where are the holes?
If the heavier engines were found outside, why din't they pierce the wall?
Aluminum frame, nose, seats and control console pierced all those walls?
more info and free dvd at :
reopen911.org

12/14/2005 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger bryansail said...

Hi, the fool! Welcome to the posting side.
KB4K, thanks for that comet link. Soon as I can will read. Scarletm, The likely culprit is probably some type of mycoplasma infection or possibly fungal. Just keep him in good spirits and have him eat as many veggies and fruits (washed well) as your 5 year old can possibly stand. She/he will get the upper hand on it. You're right though it's not viral. I'm not an
expert, but the EXPERTS are too busy to look at the long time cough
that many people are experiencing.
Even my wife had it. She took 3 tabs of garlic a day for a couple of weeks. Not sure if that helped but she is over the cough finally (it lasted longer than a month)
Interesting note, a fresh clove of garlic on a cutting board KILLS 99% of bacteria around it (fanning outwards over an inch in all directions. Wicked stuff!
-Bryan

12/14/2005 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger unipax said...

Hi Fool,

Welcome aboard!

Great handle!

uni

12/14/2005 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

other side of the pacific said...
anyone seen the Mothership's net stats lately? wow!


So....was I right the other day...that we were nothing but a marketing data collection experiment?

Sorry, and with all due respect...but that kinda pisses me off!!!

Oh well, at least we've met each other and formed an interesting association.


John,
I disagree with your Dad.

NS,
You have a great sense of humor! ;)


WV= jnglpst = Jingle Pist! :)

12/14/2005 02:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Thunderbolt 2012 said...

Sunking,
I saw that part of the main Enterprise mission page with Tim Ventura pimping the site for advertisers. I guess the message here is that we didn't support TEM with the green stuff-only talk, so now we are out and "Madison Avenue" is in, via American Anti-grav. If Hoagland had come out and said that this was in the works, I still might not still like it but I could live with it and move on. Even if you don't agree that this is a significant ethical lapse (and I think it is), it is at least very poor manners and I intend to jump this guy the next time I hear him on C2C. I may even go over and have a talk with Phil Plait about this.

12/14/2005 02:29:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

spider818,
you said,
iontru02 said: spider818, you started this! Thanks for your input, I'm bashfully flattered.

Spider----> Yes, I'm afraid I did. :) The Cherokee in me really does like this new pick. Besides, a peacepipe on the blog is a good thing. We may need it soon!


Concerning the current blog, I keep seeing statements made concerning that we know where this star is today. Are these statements based on previous comments made by Sword or have I missed something and this info can be found elsewhere.
Spider

12/14/2005 11:59:09 AM

IonTruO2, Pardon me for being slow to tune in to you being one our treasured ladies in the house. The Yin for all this Yang here, keeps the flow "balanced". Exemplified by Scarletm, Krazyby4kids, Nightstar and others. Thank you for your presence and kind comments re: pics.
I honour your people, always, never forgoten by this Canadian.
Btw, Sword is from native heritage, if I recall correctly.

He is also our apparently connected insider, who has expressed a number of times that they know where it is, when it will arrive, and he is to participate directly in a mission with ultra-technology to deal with the coming "blizzard" at an earlier point(behind the sun) before it arrives near Earth.

I believe he is the only one who has clearly stated he has knowledge of the location and its early indicators such as an electro-magnetic wind. I think it was kind of like, when one is waiting for the subway train and you know its coming in advance.

12/14/2005 02:30:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Thanks for the advice! Said child would rather eat dirt than veggies.
He's oddly very anti beef too. When he was a baby i used to joke he survived on air and nothing else. typical fussy 5 yer old.
Never thought of a fungal infection---eeewwww. i am dosing him with a chewable vitamin with extra vitamin c.
hoping this cough (perscription) medicine will do the trick, it worked last time.

12/14/2005 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Hummmm Those ad stats are mighty interesting. looks like since July it went up stadily- then in Oct began to fall-right about the time he quit talking.
If december sucks, i would expect to hear from him.
Yep, experiment worked- hook line and sinker.

12/14/2005 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

SK: what was our departure date from the mother ship?

12/14/2005 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger IonTruO2 said...

Sunking,
I feel your anger, perhaps it is well placed.
In regards to the whole American anti-gravity group, I still wonder if inadvertently we(I) shone the light a little too bright on Col. Bearden and Co. with some of the material we were digging up?
I sure didn't want to get anybody exposed or worse. I certainly enjoyed the scavenger hunt though.

I will certainly admit I like the flow of our group dynamic now. WE continue to share and reveal some grand things and Sword has definately been a key feature as well as Crypto with his complex knowledge of terrestrial mapping and civilization building.

Richard was brief, cryptic and often held back, many times playing the hint game offering only bread crumbs yet suggesting grander knowledge. Straight is straight and I would have grown quickly weary of that angle of his.

So here is my vote of confidence to you all for our progress, however one wishes to "guage it".
We are all forever changed by this process together and that is the factor to me that supercedes any notion of activism or group agenda.

Others had offered and took steps in effort to sustain our dialogue dynamic here, i.e. warehouse33 etc.
but I acknowledge Sunking for this mirror Blog that allowed us a very easy flip away from the abandoned Capt's Blog that had died and stalled.
So thanks chum!

I had said back at the very beginning, if Richard H is just an ego at play and is busy serving only his self-interests, then he WILL suffer his own consequences in that karmic deviance of his. I have lived those lessons and seen enough of them to speak with truth.
I have no compassion for the "posers" acting so fervently righteous as long as it suited their self interests. Thats the falsity that is ruining this world.

So lets hope RCH has a great story in the near future for us who helped get the viewership to some impressive numbers.
NONE of what he was posting was necessarly new, it was being discussed at other levels elswhere too. So, (imho) the comments dynamic and the content we all offered up through our efforts, was the significant draw.

And here we are, still going and growing, and developing emerging new themes.

NO DOUBT.

12/14/2005 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. John said...

scarletm said...

> SK: what was our departure date from the mother ship?

I think it was like the 9th of November.

12/14/2005 03:04:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Thanks Dr John.
My question is this:
his readership was at its highest in September when he was blogiing almost everyday. Then steadily downward: if he needs money so bad then why not reach out again and get the traffic back up to click or donate individually if that what he wants?
this out and out push for cash has me preturbed, but i always wondered how the guy paid the bills.
He must know of our feelings by now, and the chances of him pulling a " jeeze I'm sorry for the absence", probably isnt going to cut it with us. If we were, indeed, some way to inflate his ad numbers-why would he let it fall again?
I'll be interested to see if he posts December numbers and beyond.
( i don't mean to insinuate we the blog crew are his only visitors-or his only hope for monetary survival at all- but i think we were a BIG help in September.)

12/14/2005 03:23:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

PS:
and dammit- i think we have done an excellent job holding down this blog...OUR bolg all by ourselves, thank you very much!

12/14/2005 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Dr. John,

Nov 9th is correct.

12/14/2005 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

Thunderbolt2012 said:

Sunking,
I saw that part of the main Enterprise mission page with Tim Ventura pimping the site for advertisers. I guess the message here is that we didn't support TEM with the green stuff-only talk, so now we are out and "Madison Avenue" is in, via American Anti-grav. If Hoagland had come out and said that this was in the works, I still might not still like it but I could live with it and move on. Even if you don't agree that this is a significant ethical lapse (and I think it is), it is at least very poor manners and I intend to jump this guy the next time I hear him on C2C.

starshipconstellation said: Thunderbolt2012, I agree with you completely. This is very much what I have been concerned about of late in regards to not only of RCH succumbing to the marketplace but also of the responsibility of a blog "captain" to his "crew". I looked at the stats as well. They clearly peak at the time of RCH's blogs on Katrina and plummet steadily after his absence from the blog. The blog is clearly an experiment and we now seeing the results of the experiment.

Also: I want to thank Sunking for this blog and voice my support for providing this forum for dialogue. Iontruo2, I think you are also greatly on target.

I also think it's time to unmask John. His last few posts are impossible to believe. Without even trying, I saw considerable coverage on the oil depot explosions in England and I don't even have cable. The posts about the plane hitting the Pentagon are just too much for me. I can't believe anyone would be that naive for real. If John isn't really RCH, it's someone doing his bidding.

The Drydock I believe inadvertantly became part of the experiment as well.RCH was completely silent on the existence of the Drydock. You know he had to know we were here, one would think since we were using his banner and layout, he'd have something to say about that unless it served his purposes to do so. The thing about the Drydock is that we were able to keep going on our own minus the Captain because we have our own minds and are willing to share what we think about. We've demonstrated that as a group we have our own research skills and can through the online medium conduct our own investigations and reach our own conclusions.

RCH has done a lot of good work over the years and I for one, hope that it doesn't get tainted with all the advertising that has practically taken over the upper half of the first page of TEM. Once people start detecting the odor of money around something like TEM, I think the fast conclusion people will reach will be that it's about the money and not the research. That will be quite a shame because disclosure will get stained a shade of green that will turn people off from the message.

Regardless of what's happening at TEM, I am looking forward greatly to Sword's next installments of his blog. I suggest we keep going. :-)

12/14/2005 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Thing is, if he had said "I wanna push the numbers up so I can attract advertisers.", I would have gone along with the 'gag', just out of a sense of loyalty and 'brotherhood'(?) I'd like to think I have with someone like RCH, who I have been a fan of for so long.

If this was such as we've intimated, then I feel we've been used unjustly and most discourteously.

Kinda sucks!

But....let's DO press on, my friends.

12/14/2005 03:35:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

I agree Sunking!

The funny thing is we are the winners in the whole scheme (if thats what it was)
Kinda shows that "becareful what you wish for" thing can backfire.

GREAT Word veri: rwnlazy!
runlazy- FABULOUS!

12/14/2005 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

Sunking,

I do feel we have been used unjustly and discourteously. But as I said earlier, we have our own abilities to conduct our own investigations. I've been a fan of RCH for quite sometime, but this is a good example of what a trap the "cult of personality" can be. It's time to separate the research from the researcher.

Onward and upward!

12/14/2005 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

Perhaps it's time to seriously think about forging our own identity? Complete with logo? Just a thought.

12/14/2005 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

Below is a link to a article in New Scientist about a strange new object found at the edge of the Solar System. This article seems very timely in view of Sword's blog. It says that the region of space the object was orbiting has not been properly mapped and that the object happened its way into the 2 percent area that is routinely observed.

Kind of begs the question of what else is swinging around in odd orbits in our solar system? Things the ancients knew about and we are only now rediscovering? I need to start putting my own reserves on copies of Sitchen's books instead of trying to skim them between sending them out on interlibrary loans! Among the sidebar links on the blog, can we have a tutorial on how to make our links live inside the blog? I admit to not knowing how to do that. Sorry.

wv: cqfnd seek/find

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8455

12/14/2005 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

NS gave a good one: but alas I'm not good at it. Frankly, I prefer cutting and pasting so i can open a new window. its just me though...

12/14/2005 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

Starship,

Go back two blogs....NS and some others gave an excellent tutorial for activating links. do a 'FIND' on the keyword 'href'.

12/14/2005 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger SunKing said...

scarletm,
on the links that are clickable, just right clock and Open In New Window....then you don't goof up where you are on the comments page.


Our own Logo, our own 'thang'? hmmmmm...but what?

12/14/2005 04:24:00 PM  
Anonymous bubba hyde said...

Before we jump off into something else, maybe we as a group need to decide what it is we wish to accomplish. Are we wanting a place so we can chat and whoever comes along comes along? Are we seeking to build a substantial community with archives, a forum, chat, blogs where we can invite friends, family and others to participate, an alternative information portal if you will. Are we looking for something in between?

12/14/2005 04:42:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

nightstar said..
ericswan .. wow, did not realize black cloud was moving across Europe. Talk about a visual....
OB 2 is in Spain..any word from the downwinders?

How about RCH disclosure????

12/14/2005 04:58:00 PM  
Blogger starshipconstellation said...

Sunking, Thanks for the tip. As for what Bubba Hyde is talking about, I like the idea of an alternate information portal. Some way to organise the best things that have been put together here for research purposes and to build a collection of information that helps the awakening of others to the larger worlds around us and for placing things in context and connecting the dots.

12/14/2005 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger Crypt0 said...

SunKing said...
>Kinda sucks!
But....let's DO press on, my friends.<


I agree, SunKing ... RCH might be facing some kind of shortened timeline from his heart incident in Florida, and has a chance to cash in with Anti-Gravity lifters.

What keeps coming up for me : how we organize ourselves economically is different from how we organize ourselves politically. Friendships are usually political ... this one became economic. Welcome to the world of science, disclosure and even a little taste of the world of interlocking Board of Directors.

This was definitely an economic decision because why else would anyone snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like RCH did with the Blog. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush ... I suppose the "Crew" were the two in the bush. Anyone still wondering why George Noory promoted RCH on C2C-AM ... maybe we're witnessing a broader exit strategy than simply dumping the Blog - part of a wholescale lateral move over to AAG.

The why doesn't surprise me ... the how does surprise me a little. All is fair in love and war. When I look at the articles on TEM, I think that when people learn to measure for themselves, there will be a widescale destruction of idols coming. Social fictions have a limited shelf life, so, long term, RCH is probably better off on the science side.

I wish them well ! I've heard lots of criticism about AAG and hope (for RCH's sake) that AAG has real anti-gravity ... because he's now married to it.

12/14/2005 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

Sword..please clear this up for me. Are you saying the Star of Bethlehem is coming back as Wormwood?

12/14/2005 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

14.000 how goes the reading? I have been trying to get a copy online or otherwise for some time. Any "revelations"?

12/14/2005 05:30:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

I was really just thinking outloud.
I don't think that leaving the current space would be productive- you lose too many people in moves and I thik you lose credibility (do we really have any LOL????)

I was thinking more along the lines of maybe just a seperate "identity" or identifying logo type thing.
Getting into chat options etc...is WAY more than anyone here wants to handle ( I think)
Look, we broke off and waited- and waited. looks like we are on our own now. with all thanks to The Mothership and all- we have somehow maintained our own comunity and continuity, i am glad we now have the option to discuss lots of things more freely- but at somepoint I fear we will kind of fade...we aren't really RCHs lap dogs anymore, but we are certianly helping serve his purposes without so much as a thankyou.
I am really just thinking out loud at this point.
The logo idea is more of one just to establish a seperate identity.
I'm a fine one to be yakking about it as I have NO graphics ability so i can't contrubute much in that arena-
Like I said, just thinking

12/14/2005 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger scarletm said...

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12/14/2005 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger ericswan said...

I really am impressed with the Skara Brae link..

Crypt0..Tru 02...this is paydirt..

http://www.geocities.com/futhark_runes/SkaraBrae_AncientEgyptianSettlement.html

12/14/2005 06:17:00 PM  

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